Harry Greb vs Roy Jones Jr.

Well from what I've read Greb was a very quick and awkward guy so a nightmare for most. Seeing as though we have no film of him I can only go on his resume so I'd pick Greb.

However Jones is one of the hardest guys to beat in a H2H matchup and was one of the fastest I've ever seen.

I can see why no one has replied to this thread, way too hard to pick if you ask me.

 

Yes, we can only go by what has been reported about Greb.

Jones wouldn't have liked this fight. At his best he did have the ability to outbox and outscore Harry Greb, IMO. When this started to happen, I think Greb would really turn it into a dirty and ultra rough fight.

From here onwards, a lot would depend on what the referee does. A strict referee might make it possible for Roy Jones, Jr. to score a points win. If Harry Greb can get away with his tactics, a win for him either by late stoppage or by UD (against a reluctant Jones fighting on defensive mode) is very possible.

 

Jones wouldnt have fought Greb. He would have found a lesser fighter to fight who held the World Internation Intercontinental Super Duper XYZ Championship. Once he won that he would have talked about how he could beat Greb but didnt want to...

 

I think a major factor is what weight the fight is contracted at. If Greb's best range is 158-165. Than the fight could be at 160 or 168.
From what I have read Greb was fast and awkwards that's a tough combination to beat. I have seen Jones and he is fast and awkwards as well. He also enjoys 3" in height and reach. Don't underestimate size advantages.
I know Greb took on men bigger than himself. Some of them verry verry good and won. I don't think any of them were as good as 168-175 Jones.
Jones in My opinion did not hit his stride till he reached 168.
At 160 he's very good and can beat not necessarily will beat anyone at 160.
@160 I like Greb by decision. If there were a poll I would vote based on this result.
@ 168 I like Jones by decision.

 

You dont think Tommy Gibbons, Gene Tunney, Kid Norfolk, or several other guys that Greb fought and beat are as good as Jones? Based on what? If Greb was fighting the same professional wal-mart greeters that Jones made a career out of he would have never gotten close to a championship much less be talked of today. Thats the difference between the ultra tough and competetive era Greb fought in and the watered down style over substance era that Jones fought in.

 

i think abraq brings up the most salient point and that's grebs dirty fighting. let's be honest: he was a dirty *******. now, for the time he wasn't sooo bad but in today's era he'd be DQd in the 1st round

however, given grebs other skills, even if he couldn't fight dirty he'd be on jones like flies on ****. imagine the first two rounds of the bryan brannon fight but instead of some musclehead flailing into jones arms he'd have a brilliant, quick handed, ferocious inside brawler

in the middle of the ring, jones could dominate and score. he wouldn't be in the middle of the ring much and if greb can outmuscle heavies, he could bully jones to.

10-5 decision for greb if it makes it to the cards

 

Greb pounds RJJ from pillar to post, RJJ will have his moments by the time they get the late rds Greb takes over TKO win

 

In his prime Greb was not dirty and in fact the dirty tactic he was most criticised for was holding and hitting. Now, you do the math, if you are blind in one eye and have no depth perception what would be the best tactic for getting to a guy: holding and hitting. If we are talking prime for prime a 1919 version of Greb makes Jones go into a shell and he doesnt come out until he's on his way to the parking lot after the fight.

 

Jones would beat the living **** out of Greb.

Jones is a new class fighter, Greb is an old dirty fighter. Greb doesn't stand a ****en chance.

 

Well said Klompton...Are some posters so naive to think that a Gene Tunney, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons, Maxie rosenbloom, Jack
Dillon,all HOFamers as LIGHT HEAVIES were not as good as the super middleweight Roy Jones.? These guys had 2 to 3 times as many fights as Jones JR, and they all had what the oldtimers called "bottom"...

 

Do you like Hopkins?

 

I like Hopkins but I dont think Hopkins would beat Greb either. I think matchups like these are absolutely ridiculous. Guys like Greb, Loughran, Levinsky, Tunney, Dillon, Norfolk, etc. All had around 50 - 100 fights before they were ever considered top contenders. Jones had what? 20 before he started collecting ABC belts (the majority of which were absolutely meaningless). So he wins a VACANT championship against Hopkins in what would be Hopkins first fight against anyone we will even remember. Both guys had something like 20 fights. That makes a championshio fight? Championship fights actually meant something once. You actually knew what a champion was made of long before he "challenged" for a "title" suddenly guys have title fights and title defenses LONG before we even know if they have a chin, or versatility, or heart, or any of the other intangibles that make a great fighter. The first fight Jones fought against a guy we had a decent line on was James Toney (and I give Roy all credit for that win) and then he basically retired as far as Im concerned. He literally made his name and lived off one fight. Period. Everything else after that was about as meaningless as it gets and all of the hype and hyperbole that HBO and Max Kellerman and a bunch of uneducated ghetto bottom feeders can muster wont change that sad fact. Then look at that one fight he made his name off of. Toney turned into a career underachiever (and frankly should have had at least a couple of losses before Jones) which says a hell of a lot more about what he is made of than any win or loss Roy Jones ever came up with. So this is supposed to convince us that Jones would be able to beat one of the greatest, most experienced, toughest, fastest, fearless, tireless fighters in history? I seriously doubt it. If Jones was scared to fight guys like Rocchiggiani and Michalczewski and Jirov, and quite a few other competetive matchups do you seriously think he would do anything but COMPLETELY AVOID a fight with Greb??? Several fighters who are in the HOF and were incidently naturally bigger than Greb wanted absolutely nothing to do with him and these were guys that would generally fight anyone. But a guy who was well known for avoiding tough fights takes on one of the toughest fighters in history and beats him? I just have to laugh at that.

 

Wow what a rant.What a close minded,bitter,biased,unfair rant.

People like you wouldn't give Jones credit if he'd met all of these fighters you say he avoided anyway.There is always a disclaimer attached to anything Jones achieved or any fighter he beat and you dismissing everbody he beat after Toney proves this.


Nonsense that Jones was scared to fight ****ing Michalczewski, a man who made a career out of beating guys Jones had already beaten and beaten way more impressively than Dariusz could manage.This is a myth that needs to be put to rest.
Do you seriously think Michalczewski or Rocchiggiani would beat Jones?

If you do I'd love to hear why.From the footage I've seen of both I'd pick Jones to trounce either of them and that's not to disparage them,as both were very good fighters but Jones was much better.

And how can you like Hopkins yet so vehemently dislike Jones?

Hopkins ****ing hid at middleweight for a decade beating up blown up welterweights and **** that wouldn't be tough enough to work at Walmart,racking up meaningless title defenses that meant squat,all the while he had the big fish like Jones,Toney Benn and McClellan fighting just a few pounds north of him.

Yeah Hop's really wanted vengence for his 93 loss to Jones so much so he waited 17 years until Roy was a corpse and still tried to fake a DQ win.He had opportunities in 2002 and 03 to make a rematch with a still dangerous Jones but weasled his way out every time.A pity as this fight would've answered a lot of questions about both men.

Hopkins "old school" persona is just that,a persona.He played the modern low risk,high reward career path better than Jones did imo.You can't criticize one and not the other when both were as guilty as each other.

Anyway back to the thread since we have zero footage of Greb we have to go by hearsay as to his speed,toughness and skill.But his resume is almost unparalelled in boxing history and it would be foolish to make anybody short of maybe Robinson an outright favourite over him at 160.I'd favour Greb to outwork Jones in an ugly,mauling fight with lot's of clinching and missing but Grebs legendary workrate giving him the edge over Jones's cleaner punching.

 

^ thanks i was about to write something along the lines of that.

If he said all Roy Jones did was beat Wal Mart greeters, than Hopkins must have only beat beat Mcdonalds french fry boys. He is truly ridiculous.

I love both fighters but Jones has clearly the better career.