The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

all your argument is bias in favor of floyd. so you think hatton at 147 is a way better verion than at 140 where he was undefeated? oscar i give you that but did roach said that it was the version of oscar that he coached that could not pull the trigger? and please don't forget that floyd pulled marquez from lightweight all the way up to welterweight catchweight fight and cheated him in the scales afterward. now pac wants to fight floyd but floyd doesn't want a piece of pacquiao.

pacquiao has almost always fought the top guys of each division. ledwaba was the #1 jr. feather then, barrera and jmm was the #1 and 2 feather, morales, barrera and jmm were the #1 or #2 superfeather then, david diaz was at least #3 or #4 lightweight then, oscar was still a force at jr middle and pac meet him up at welter by jumping 2 divisions. pac fought #1 hatton at jr. welter and the #2 and 4 welter in cotto and clottey.

 

Dude....please...Collazo damn near beat the **** out of hatton at 147 before facing Floyd yet Floyd still decided he brought enough money to make the fight. At 147 Ricky wasn't considered MEAN or tough...Unproven and suspect, ABSOLUTELY.

Peak.....that would be Ricky beating KT by most. But he was still very good when he faced Floyd...as the performance would support and he was still very good when Manny destroyed him but was clearly out matched.

 

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The vast majority weren't look at "what is." They failed to listen to history. They failed to listen to Roach who not only proved it before the fight with what he said, but backed it up after. He gave factual fights from history that showed the odds were in his favor. Most fans don't know their history. And even many boxing die-hards, seem to be stuck in the clouds during fight-time, forgetting their history...which is crazy given the recent events with the Roy Jones jr, Tarver, and Chris Byrd.

This wasn't a Prime/WW Oscar. This was a dead Oscar who hadn't made 147 in a long time.

If he was good enough to face Oscar, unless you are saying it now didn't matter because we found out after the fact what Oscar did and was...then OK. However, he still went on to face Cotto instead of Shane who still wanted that fight.

He doesn't fight for Legacy, NOW. But he did at one time.

It had everything to do with being lineal Champion and the fact that he took it off Zab. Floyd can claim true lineal heritage in that division.

Yes, there was, and I'm with anyone that wants to rip him for that. But he still needed to face Baldomir first.

Tyson was not in jail. Look at your history better.

Holyfield wanted to be "HW" Champion and the way to get that was beating Douglas. He still wanted Tyson but he wanted the belt first.

He's given credit after the fight. After he is done promotion himself and the fight.

It may be out of the norm but he wasn't wrong to ask for it given boxing's lack of a good testing system. Boxing was so far behind it was embarrassing. Even Conte blasted the current tests.

 

In your world I bet you believe that....but if I did I wouldn't have the nuts to post that bull ****! Hatton at 140 is superior than Hatton at 147. Proof is in his resume.

DLH at 154 is better than DLH at 147 but considering Manny moved up not one but TWO divisions to make the fight you have to see the accomplishment in that. Especailly with how the fight went compared to how it went with Floyd.

Cotto at 30 vs Shane at 39 at 147....toss up!

Josh is by far more dangerous and a bigger challenge than JMM at 147 and that is really not worth debating.

Floyd is builidn his legacy but he doesn't FIGHT to build his legacy from what he says consistantly. He fights for money and that assists regardless of what his intetions are.

Floyd at 147 fought ONE guy......who was worth mentioning...that's it....Shane.

Manny faught Cotto and Marg and has been at that weight FAAAAR less time.. So how is it that Manny who is the smaller man who has spent less time at WW faced more true WW's?

YOU ARE CRAZY if you think Floyd's resume 130 and below holds more names or more challenging opponets. I can't even discuss that with you b/c you obviously don't have a foundation to hold that kind of conversation.

 

You'll find some ****** to disagree with that.

But its spot on.

 

Not a great win but he still needed to fight him. I don't think Diaz was lineal belt holder, was he?

Floyd's career lacks at 147. Already noted that.

 

Roach says a lot of things...he gets into the heads of Manny's opponents by always discrediting them. You gotta take that with a grain of salt b/c it's part of the menatl warfare that is prevelant in boxing.

It's always easy to make excuses for a loss than it is to own up to making the wrong call. Sure that wasn't the best DLH, but he was still very good and dangerous as seen in the fight with Floyd and Forbes and even Mayorga.

DLH was considered a part time boxer when Floyd and Manny faced him....Shane was seemingly more consistant and more dangerous for good reason. So a gradual move up in weight for manny was understandable.....he didn't want to test himself agasint the most dangerous before knowing if he could take a WW punch...and with DLH he never got touched ...so he had to gradually move up.

Tyson was going through the legal system for ****...he wasn't ABLE to fight b/c of the sentence that was on the horizon. Mike didn't fight at all after he lost to James due to this fact. Maybe not in jail but that was where he was headed.

Conte also blasted USADA and WADA's testing measures as being "EASILY BEATEN"...Conte stated that even the gold standard of testing won't catch those who have the resoureces avialble to beat any dope tests. The stricter testing is better but it won't prove or clean up the sport b/c it's far too much money to be implemented boxing wide. And the fact that the ones who could afford those tests are also the fighters with a lot of money where they could find ways to beat any testing measures out there todya.

My only problem with how floyd demanded the tests were based on his own allegations that he has yet to be able to support or provide any eviddence. Plus it was out the blue and tried to claim he did it to "Clean up the sport"..:roll: I don't buy that **** at all and can't respect that b/c it's obviously bull****.

 

So now the game is distraction, go after Pacquiao's legacy? You admit Floyd doesn't fight hard fights, and rationlize it buy making the case that Pacquiao doesn't either? Who was named fighter of the decade again?

 

That's what the whole drug testing fiasco was all about...try to taint Pac's legacy which shits all over Floyds

 

are you forgetting that out of all the opponents that you have mentioned none of them have been on a more then 1 fight winning streak apart from cotto and even then his win over clottey was disputable. pac is a damn vulture picking every fighter when they are viulnerable

 

If what you say has even an ounce of truth to it....it just makes Floyd look even worse for ducking him.:-( Floyd could expose the guy he's said numerous times was all hype and his "easiest and largest payday" yet instead he rather pass on the easy money and avoid facing him?:roll:

 

yes just like floyd wanting them old, slow and bloated like marquez and mosley.

 

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so where are you now floyd and get your easy pay.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that they have been handled carefully at times, specifically as they each moved up in weight.

They each had excellent resume's at lower weights, with Pacquiao's perhaps getting more press for the fact he came from nowhere to beat several modern legends.

I disagree however, with the view that they have each "cherrypicked" equally.

Floyd's best wins have been:
Slightly shop worn Judah coming of of a loss
Slightly shop worn De La Hoya (split decision)
Slightly shop worn Mosley (coming off long lay off)

as well as
Baldomir (average welter champion) and
Blown up light welter and light weights (Hatton and Marquez). These fights were convenient for Floyd weight-wise.

Pacquiao best wins were:
Slightly shop worn Cotto (catchweight of minimal influence)
Slightly shop worn Hatton (at Hatton's weight, where he was still the top dog)
Clottey (a tough, natural welter)

as well as
Shot, weight drained DLH (still a risk due to it being such a huge leap for Pacquiao weight wise.

The difference in my opinion is Pacquiao has faced slightly faded opposition through circumstance, whereas Floyd has consistently (and publicly addmitted to doing so) through choice.

Pacquiao appeared at a time when Cotto was slightly off peak, Margarito was banned and Mayweather was retired.

Mayweather however retired while Cotto and Margarito fought each other, and stayed so, thus avoiding the winner.

Mayweather has admitted to only caring about cheques, so fans arguing on his behalf are wasting their breath/time/effort/typing skills, as he admits he doesn't care about legacy!

 

Except when Roach is backing it up with historical fact, was proven to be right after the fight, and his own personal experience with Oscar.

That wasn't the same Oscar that fought Floyd. Are you really this naive?
154, hdyrated version of Oscar or the dead version of Oscar trying to make a weight he hadn't made in a long time. WOW, you missed that one


Tyson asked for a rematch with Douglas. WOW, again, where is your brain?

Tyson fought Tillman, Stewart, and Ruddock twice before going to jail.
Holyfield fought Douglas in Douglas's very next fight that same year, 1990.
Holyfield wanted to become Champ. Douglas was Champ.

By the way, Floyd is a part-time fighter now.

Conte: Well then why test at all?
Conte suggested year round testing as the best.

For the allegations, Floyd is an idiot and an ******* for making such claims public the way he did. He could have handled things better by simply suggesting boxing needs to get the best testing in place now and he will only fight if that testing is in place.