Holyfield's one punch KO of Douglas was every bit as impressive as Marciano's over W

Yes but reality was that Douglas was not the best he could be regardless of what he did to Tyson, and he basically laid down as soon as he got tagged cleanly.

 

It's interesting that Rocky is given Mt. Rushmore status my some for beating a 38 year old man receiving every benefit of the doubt along the way but Evander destroys Douglas and we hear nothing but excuses that are theories at best ... I say Douglas came to fight and got destroyed ... he may have been a bit overconfident but he definately was feeling very good about himself coming in, he had just destroyed Mike Tyson and he was intending to defend his title.

 

Come on SQ..your much too sharp a poster to believe this.

 

That's insane.

 

I agree with some of that. But it does look like Douglas had second thoughts when he hit that canvas, he didn't hold himself up and struggle to his feet, he kind of laid back. It's harsh to criticize fighters for that, because it's not us lying there feeling the pain of that blow that just put us there, BUT I think he didn't show the same desire in that situation he had in the Tyson fight.

I think people overemphasize his weight and the way he fought Holyfield compared to Tyson way too much though.
Douglas was a bit fat but he was moving and trying to box pretty much the same as he had against Tyson. He looked pretty good in there, just Holyfield looked better.

 

Well you can think that, but that wasnt the reality. His high weight, lack of condition, and managerial problems were not theories, they were facts. Unfortunately its a part of boxing that often tarnishes a fighters win.

His weight, the factors leading up to the fight, and his performance were proof Douglas was both mentally and physically not even in the building that night, but regardless of all that, Im not sure Douglas ever beats Holyfield.

 

when marciano dropped walcott he was clean out. buster (even though he was a great fighter for one fight) thought about getting up while he "rested" on the canvas. big difference.
It was a genuine KD but buster just stayed down, roled over and went to the bank. He chose not to hang onto his title at that point, denying himself the oportunity to go out fighting (like braddock, walcott, charles etc) and denying holyfeild a more conclusive victory. when talking about best KO's ever "knock out" means knocked-out in my book.

 

agree................

 

Nobody can argue that both were devastating. But I think the Marciano-Walcott one was more so. It could be argued that that right hand thrown by Marciano is the single hardest punch ever thrown in the history of the sweet science.
I think the Holyfield-Douglas one seems devastating because Holyfield usually is not a one-punch knockout artist. He has power, but it is not devastating. Rocky, if he connected properly, was devastating.

 

was it a knockout though? douglas chose not to get up. for me, as well timed a punch that it was douglas heaved the upercut in so slowly, he was already blowing and he just colapst fully concious on impact since he was already fatigued. a genuine knock down yes. THEN during the count buster weighed it all up, since he was not in shape, was being beaten to the punch and was still getting paid the same money he decided to stay down. call me old fasioned but that loses its luster as a devestating knockout. holyfeild was razor shap that night I accept that. BUT I bet Evander felt chaeated though. douglas did not "give best"

 

This might be worse than when HeGrant raved about how great Dempsey's one punch KO of Sharkey was. That made for an excellent signature for awhile. All stemmed from his argument about how Dempsey might have had more one punch KO's than Marciano, but we don't since there's much less film. And of course, we can see that's possible with the exemplary example of Dempsey's ball-busting of Sharkey. Even when Dempsey himself said Marciano had better power and only needed 1 punch to take a man out. I guess Dempsey wasn't there for his own career, or dementia was beginning to kick in at the time. The lengths he'll go on knocking Marciano. Absurd and generally hypocritical.

 

He was 6' 4" and a huge man ... the 12.5 pound difference in his weight for Holyfield v.s. his weight for Tyson was no huge deal. Problems? The man was on top of the world. He just beat Tyson in a huge upset. He got a ton of publicity and good press. He had hometown parade as champion and major endorsements. He had zero management issues. He got paid 24 million dollars ... Everyone forgets going into the fight many were picking Douglas to win ..

What happened is that Evander kicked his ass. He crushed the man who crushed the man. Evander fought a prime super heavyweight and destroyed him. I love how everyone makes the fight about Douglas and not Holyfield when Rocky was the guy fighting for his life against a 194 pound, 38 year old man .. I simply don't buy it .

When you factor in the ages of the men involved, the sizes, the conclusions my point was and remains it was as impressive a knockout.

 

Take the dick out of your mouth ... it's hard to hear you ...

 

Sadly, those are the thoughts that bring a smile out of your face.

Basically, the sort of tactics you resort to when your lunacy has no ends for justifying or defending.

 

You've got to be kidding. Douglas was prime? Douglas was fat, lazy, and unmotivated. And he definitely quit. That cannot be argued. The only reason he and the fight had any momentum at all was because he was still riding the wave of the Tyson upset. Holyfield merely exposed the truth: Douglas was an inconsistent one-hit-wonder...not the "second coming".