Holyfield's one punch KO of Douglas was every bit as impressive as Marciano's over W

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  1. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Were you still in your mommas belly when this fight took place. :-(
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    :lol:

    The lengths some will go defending their bull****.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    King, Douglas Reach Settlement

    By PHIL BERGER

    Published: July 18, 1990

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    Don King and James (Buster) Douglas, the heavyweight champion, settled their differences early yesterday morning. The settlement frees Douglas to defend his title against Evander Holyfield in September.
    Douglas and his manager, John Johnson, had been locked in a legal battle with King over his promotional contract with the champion. Johnson and Douglas had sued King in Nevada, charging that King had breached his contract by trying to have the result of Douglas's victory against Mike Tyson overturned.
    King denied any wrongdoing and countersued Douglas and Johnson to uphold the validity of his contract. That suit was being heard in United States District Court in Manhattan and was the vehicle for the settlement.
    Suit Dismissed
    After Judge Robert Sweet dismissed the suit yesterday, King said in the corridor outside the courtroom that, as part of the settlement, he had assigned his promotional rights for Douglas-Holyfield to the Mirage casino-hotel in Las Vegas.
    King had included Steve Wynn, the owner of the Mirage, as a defendant in the case, contending that Wynn had wrongfully interfered with King's contractual rights as Douglas's promoter. Although King would not reveal the financial specifics of the settlement, a source close to the case said that King had received more than $4 million from the Mirage for the rights to the Douglas-Holyfield bout.
    Donald Trump reportedly received slightly more than $2 million in the settlement. Trump had contended that shortly after Douglas defeated Tyson in February, King had shaken hands on a deal that would have allowed Trump to promote Douglas-Holyfield.
    As part of the agreement, King will promote a rematch between Douglas and Tyson should Douglas defeat Holyfield. The rematch would take place at the Mirage.
    King's lawyer, Bob Hirth, said that after that, ''Don's promotional rights for the length of the contract are reaffirmed. His promotional contract covers the time that Douglas is champion, plus two years.''
    King said he was pleased with the settlement.
    ''Due process is a wonderful thing,'' said King. ''I'm glad to be an American. My rights have been restored and I'm happy about that.''
    Two-Fight Deal Cited
    Johnson, Douglas's manager, said that his fighter emerged from the trial with his two-fight deal with the Mirage, worth about $60 million, still intact.
    While King's promotional grip on Douglas is no longer in question, Johnson said that if Douglas continues his career after the Holyfield defense and the Tyson rematch, King would have to come up with big-money deals.
    ''If we don't like the deal,'' said Johnson, ''we'll send it to purse bids.''
    Purse bids are a system by which promoters submit competitive offers on a fight with the highest bidder getting the promotional rights to the bout.
    ''Some of the jurors were totally on King's side,'' said Gabrielle Mellett, one of the six jurors. ''While we hadn't heard the other side, King's case was presented very well. I found King believable.''
    Douglas-Holyfield Date at Issue
    While the settlement ended one boxing argument, another one looms that could also end up in the courts. Wynn is seeking a later date, Oct. 25, to stage the Holyfield-Douglas fight. The Mirage owner said he needed the change of date because the trial cut into the time that he could devote to the promotion.
    Wynn has encountered resistance on the date change from the Holyfield camp, which thinks that the earlier date - Sept. 21 - would give the fitness-conscious Holyfield an edge. But Wynn said that was not the real reason, and blamed Holyfield's adviser, Shelly Finkel, for his problem.
    ''Shelly Finkel,'' said Wynn, ''wanted to do the pay per view on the fight, and we're going another way. If a fighter can be manipulated by a guy because he doesn't get the pay per view, it's a sad state of affairs.''
    Denial From Finkel
    Reached by phone, Finkel said that neither Wynn nor any representative of his had spoken to him about the date change.
    ''So I don't know how he can make those statements,'' Finkel said. ''What he's saying is totally not true.'' Finkel later phoned to say he was contemplating suing Wynn for defamation of character.
    ''He just wants me to look bad,'' said Finkel, ''and I'm not going to put up with it.''
    While both sides have asked the World Boxing Association, which held the purse bids on Douglas-Holyfield, to adjudicate the dispute, Wynn and English said they may end up in court before the W.B.A. resolves their differences.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I picked douglas to win since the usual maxim is you are as good as your last fight. douglas was beter in his last fight than holyfeild was. even with the added pounds I still felt buster deserved to be favourite. fact is after one roun you knew it was a missmatch. only one giuy turned up!!!

    Its a bit like willard v dempsey if only willard had not kept getting up. people say willard was unfit but he kept getting up so he was in beter shape and more ambitious than douglas was against holyfeild. he was so **** poor it is unreal. he let himself down. imagine willard was even more unfit against dempsey than he was? then he would be where buster was on that night. like buster he would have stayed down the first time .

    holyfeild turned up in fine form. douglas did not turn up.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    False.

    In 1952 Wally came to fight and defend his title against Marciano, but he got clocked and stopped in round 13.:good

    In 1990 Douglas was seen days before his effortless showing against Holy sitting in a sauna and eating a Pepperoni Pizza while swigging a soft drink and ripping farts.
    :roll::rofl

    NOW! Come the '53 rematch with Marciano, Wally got clipped early, lost track of the count while taking his sweet-ass time to get to his feet at the count of 10..... That sucked.......
    :patsch:twisted:

    MR.BILL:hat
     
  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Haha so True Mr. Bill. Was it just me or did Douglas look a very soft and blubbery 246lb vs Holyfield?


    I read in a book about 1980s heavyweights that Buster Douglas's management preferred him at/near 230lb to what they considered "In Shape".
     
  7. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I knew Douglas was screwing up by mid-summer of '90........ He was doing too much TV and public gatherings and I saw the buttons on his suit looking ready to pop.... That was prolly in July of '90........

    But, I was surprised he managed to get back down to at least 246, cuz he was 270 or more earlier in July......

    Yes. Come fight night with Holy in Oct., Bus Doug's tits were jiggly and his belly was soft..... Douglas needed at least another 4 or 5 weeks of solid training if he was really looking to win that fight...... Douglas came for that 18 million dollar check.....

    Holy collected 8 million for being ripped at 208 pounds of sheer muscle......

    MR.BILL
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    maybe somebody could say the 53 knockout of the marciano walcott rematch was closer to holyfeilds knockout of douglas.. but joe Tried TO GET UP! buster still lay considering lunch whilst lou duva steped over him during the celebration. he was awake but still down!
     
  9. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Douglas' weight vs Tyson 231.5
    Douglas' weight vs Holy 246

    The man quit before he ever got in the ring

    Ref "1, 2, 3"
    Douglas "4, 5, 6 million"
    Ref "7"
    Douglas "Damn that guy hits hard"
    Ref "8"
    Douglas "What round is this again?"
    Ref "9"
    Douglas "**** it, the check cleared"
     
  10. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    anything to discredit
     
  11. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oddly enough, Buster Douglas was picked to beat Holy by many experts early on, but after it was noticed that Buster Douglas was training like a careless slob, words began to change on the street.....

    The Buster of Vegas was a shell of himself to the one that was in Japan 8 months earlier...

    To this day, I have never seen a lineal title pissed away in such ugly fashion as to what Buster did in Vegas against Holy....

    MR.BILL
     
  12. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    All of Hegrant's boxing limited knowledge revolves around bashing Marciano, thats where all roads lead.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    :good

    Mongoose...I still get a kick out of "if Marciano gained one ounce using modern benefits...he would implode" :lol: