The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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Whoa! another *** thread from a *****...*****S ATTACK.

 

Hatton was already KTFO by Floyd and looked bad against Lazcano in his return fight at 140. Roach said Floyd took something out of him and he was correct, as proof by the Lazcano fight. Lazcano should not have been able to do that with Hatton but he did.

Money wise, absolutely. That's why they took the fight against Hatton along with getting the lineal title at 140. At least you admit it. Money over Legacy. Easier fights, big paydays, over tougher fights, possibly less money.

There is no problem in fighting an up and comer, especially when that "up and comer" has a World Title. And remember, Tszyu did it with Hatton and Hatton didn't have a title. That is boxing.


UNDEFEATED, Pre-Margarito, Cotto fought and beat Mosley in a close decision. Pac fought a Post-Plastered Cotto and now wants to fight a Post-KO'd Margarito who doesn't have his wraps like he did in losing against Paul Williams.

Paul Williams beat Margy at 147, and is more established at 154. So yes, fight the best since this is also for a title and not a feel-out to see if you are good at that weight.

I'm new to this site so obviously I couldn't post about it back then. But I did quote and put up video of Roach during that time on another site and said I agree with many of the things he said.

You can't change the fact that it was Hatton that had already been KTFO by Floyd. And Floyd isn't exactly Tommy Hearns. And, the Lazcano fight was the icing on the cake with how he looked against someone that could fight back. Paulie isn't going to be that type of fighter.

Cotto: still a version of Cotto who was Plastered and didn't look so good against Clottey. Roach wasn't the only one that talked about that fight. Many talked about that fight as maybe Clottey should have won it or in the least, should have been able to finish him off given Cotto's actions in that fight.

Floyd: Actually, I've been saying it along with some others on another site that Floyd has slipped for a while now since his move up to 147. Roach isn't totally off about his legs. They are not the same...just not shot. Kind of like Ali pre-exile vs. post-exile. That's how I look at it. Overall speed however has declined. Not just hand speed if that is what you are thinking...overall speed. Legs, slowed. Upper-body-movement, slowed.

I do think that is what he may be looking at as well when facing Pac. Pac has managed to either maintain what he was in his youth if not get better under the guidance of Ariza and Teri Tom as he moved up.
Floyd declined. Pac really hasn't in that aspect.

 

Always count on a noob to add quality to a discussion. :roll:

 

So a Post-Plastered Cotto was better than Shane "to good" Mosley?

Roach didn't think so. Pac didn't think so. They took the fight with Cotto because Shane was "to good."

Mosley was coming off the destruction of Margarito.
Cotto was coming off a lack-luster performance against Clottey in a fight he could have lost...and he still had that KO loss against Margarito.

It wouldn't have been Floyd's leftovers because Shane, who held the real WW title, wanted the fight after Margarito. That is all of last year to fight. Floyd was out of the picture. Instead, Pac fought for a paper title against Cotto.

 

Compare Floyd's last opponent to Manny's

Then factor in the bitchy needles excuse.

And throw in fighting Shane's un-licensed ***** in messico.

From there even a fool can determine who is the chicken.

 

Bradley for a title and style-matchups.

Bradley may have been floor but he got up and won that fight. Hatton was a post-KO'd victim of Floyd who looked busted up against Lazcano. And Paulie, well, it was Paulie.

So yes Bradley posed the greater risk for styles and youth.
Now would Pac have won? Yeah, probably...but not the point.

Can I blame Pac for taking the fight with Hatton?
Absolutely not, but that's not the point either.
Point was who posed the greater risk and I say Bradley.
Hatton was the smart move because of MONEY, extra FAME, trying to out-do Floyd...and as an opponent, he was KTFO by FLoyd and looked bad against Lazcano.

 

:roll:

Somebody get this oily animal some new material

 

Except he did duck Shane Mosley, which Max Kellerman pointed out, and Paul Williams, who beat Margarito at 147, called him out for a 147 fight, and there was no fight.

Yes, Floyd wasn't fighting Williams either.

So back to the point of the thread, they BOTH have done the same things at certain points of their career. Most boxers do it.

I just wanted to make it clear that although Floyd is the given, Pac should be noted for what he has done too and not be given a pass.

The Margarito fight is a perfect example of this bull****.
And yes, if you want to throw in Floyd not making the fight with Pac yet, fine with me.
Still sticks with my point as it being both of them.

 

11 of Pac's last 14 opponents are coming off a loss in one of their last 3 fights.

Floyd beats De La Hoya - Pac fights him, 9 pounds lower than where Floyd did.

Floyd KOs Hatton - Pac wants some of that now.

Margarito KO's Cotto brutally (most likely with plaster handwraps) - Pac wants some, but only at a catchweight.

Margarito gets KOed by Mosley - Pac ducks Mosley blatently because Roach says Mosley is too good. Floyd then easily UD's Mosley and Pac fights Margarito, for the 154 pound "title" at a catchweight of 150.

ALL FACTS.

 

EXCUSES! Just like when folks talked about Floyd beating DLH...he was PAST his PRIME and a part time fighter. When Floyd beat Corley,.....he was a "B" level guy....When Floyd beat Gatti...Gatti was a punching bag and over the hill...When Floyd beat Zab...he was shot based on his lost to Blado...when Floyd beat Shane...he was 39 or JMM....Was old and blown up....Well that is true. But you see if you OVER analyze ANYONE's resume you will find little details that you can spin to discredit anyting. Ray Robinson, Leonard and Jones JR all went through the same ****. It doesn't make it righ.

 

Pac was in negotiations w/ Cotto when Shane was trying to fight ANYBODY @ 147... and Williams hasn't been fighting at 147 in years. But even if he had, like I said, they were in talks w/ Cotto by then.

 

Except mine are backed up by Pac's own trainer, Freddie Roach

 

No fight was signed.

Shane vs. Margarito was in January of 2009. Shane became THE CHAMPION at WW. Why not go after him?
Right after that fight, Shane went to Freddie and asked for a fight and he continued on with asking for Pac for the rest of that year but Shane proved to be "to good."

Pac vs. Cotto was in November of 2009. Pac fought Hatton in May before Cotto. Cotto also had a couple of fights prior to facing Pac at the end of that year.
Shane was Champ, Cotto wasn't. Cotto would pick up a paper title AFTER Shane beat Margarito.

 

You can't hang your hat on comments made by a head trainer about his fighters opponents. A lot of pre fight warfare is mental and Fred gets in the heads of fighters that are set to face one of his guys.

Plus you see Floyd doing that all day long....."that guy is a B level fighter".. "one demensional" , "Old"....Floyd dont need Rog to say that **** for him b/c Floyd talks his **** himself.....Rog is like the ******ed echo in the background.