The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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Paulie

Not a bum. Just not the tougher challenge.

Cotto was DESTROYED BY MARGARITO, same Man that Shane just destroyed. That was what Cotto was worth.

Shane was never KTFO

 

Cotto, unlike Hatton, was not lineal belt holder in his division. Shane was #1 at WW. Shane had Cotto's belt. Nobody had Hatton's belt. That's one difference.

Now fighting Bradley would have been for a paper title, like Pac did with Cotto (who collecting a paper title)...but the difference there would have been that unlike Cotto, Bradley was still undefeated and was not a victim of a devastating KO loss...especially given that Cotto lost to Margarito who lost to Shane so Pac should have fought the overall winner....SHANE MOSLEY.


Cotto was no longer Champ because he was destroyed in his own division by Margarito who would be taken out by KO by Shane.

 

then that is your opinion. if you think mosley at jr. welter is a tougher challenge than cotto at welter then you have a case of being delusional. if mayorga and cotto gave a little younger mosley some problems, pac would make that fight easier than what floyd did.

again you are nitpicking cotto as an opponent here. he was a tough challeneg for shane, tough challenge for clottey and was even a tough challenge for margo with possible loaded bricks.

 

Pac said NO to a WW version of Shane first, who was coming off the destruction of Margarito. Shane originally declined coming down to 142. 140 was thrown out there much later. I can't remember what Roach said about that. I think he just brushed it off as it being desperate and it wasn't going to be possible. Not positive.


Sure Pac would. We will never now, especially considering Roach's thoughts of Shane being "to good."

Shane fought a Prime, Undefeated version of Cotto. Not the Post-Plastered version.
Cotto was tough up until Margarito turned the fight his way and beat him down.
Shane destroyed Margarito by not letting Margarito get off his punches...and basically ended Margarito's chances with that huge body-shot early in that fight that took the steam away from Margarito.

 

honestly, we are running in cricles here. you keep repeating the same thing over and over again and thinks that mosley is the sole tough opponent at welter that time. pac fought the 2nd best welter that time who has a win over the 1st best welter. it's not everyday that you can fight the #1 ranked opponent if circumstances are not right. with this said, cotto is not a less tough opponent compared to mosley when you consider mosley's age that time. there was not even a single complain that pac chose to fight cotto instead of mosley cause honestly back then both seems a tough fight for pac. it would just look more good in his resume beating a young and ih his prime opponent in cotto rather than a past his prime mosley.

 

margarito was beaten already way before he stepped into the ring with shane.

 

Again, Cotto had a close win over Shane Mosley but that was an undefeated Pre-Plasterd version of Cotto. Yes, it does matter. If you don't think so, take it up with Freddie Roach who also said something similar.

The bottom line is this: Shane became #1 after destroying Margarito who destroyed Cotto. Shane was without a fight all of last year and requested a fight with a new WW, the man that beat Oscar, Manny Pac.
Pac could have fought him in his very next fight, like a May/June date. He did not.

Instead of Pac fighting the #1 Champ in Shane Mosley, he opted to collect a Paper title against Cotto later that year, who had lost his title by being destroyed by Margarito (who was destroyed by Shane).

Roach/Pac thought Shane was "to good" while Cotto, according to Roach, wasn't the same.

AGAIN, Pac fought a version of Cotto that was DESTROYED so the question of him being exactly in his "Prime" and/or even close to even a past Prime Shane, especially considering Roach felt Shane was "to good," is highly questionable and if not wrong on your part.

This wasn't the undefeated Cotto that fought Shane. This was the Plastered version. that is what you are missing.

 

Who beat him?

 

you seems to have some trouble accepting the opinion that cotto is still a tough fight for pacquiao when pac fought him. shane would not do much better if pac was the opponent. the only reference we had is that cotto had fought better than mosley after all the events of them fighting pac and floyd.

you are criticizing pac's opponent of hatton and cotto in hindsight and based on what roach said. you are a one sorry guy. pease give me a fighter who had always fought the #1 or the toughest opposition always? can you forgive pac for fighting the #1 at jr welter and only fighting the #2 at welter?

 

mosley but that version would be beaten by cotto also.

 

Just your opinion that Pac beats Shane.

Shane has an iron chin. Cotto, once hurt, maybe even especially at that point, goes into survival mode.

Shane also has a longer reach than Cotto and is more willing to battle it out. And he has an incredible Right-Cross which is a great weapon against a Southpaw, especially a smaller southpaw with a very short reach that has to leap in to hit you.

Cotto was always going to be caught because he throws those hooks. However, his Jab is better than Shane's but the effectiveness of that went away as soon as he was stunned. He basically went away.

No, I am looking at what happened. I saw Hatton was KTFO by Floyd and looked bad against Lazcano. Those two fights were before Pac was to fight Hatton. Someone like Paulie, which has been mentioned, isn't an opponent that is going to test you for wear and tear. He isn't a puncher. He isn't even an average puncher. And he too had his own problems going on. It's the only loss he felt he wasn't right all around. He had no excuses when it came to Cotto and Khan. He really didn't think Hatton was that good.

Cotto was destroyed by Margarito. That doesn't go away. Cotto never rebounded in a way that says, "I'm back" to being my best. Clottey showed us that. Unless you are saying that is what Cotto is...not quite what people made him out to be and someone that doesn't do well when hurt and is very vulernable to being taken out...which is half-true. I think if he had ever fought a great prime finisher before, he would have been taken out.
Example: Prime Tommy Hearns KO Cotto quick.
Or better yet, in his own era, prime Kostya Tszyu.

I use Roach because he is on Pac's side and I do respect what he says more so than your journalist that covers the sport who means little to me.

I am not saying I agree with everything Roach says nor do I think that Roach is 100% solid with just opinion without mixing it up to play to the camera and take a swipe at a fighter...because he does. However, Roach was able to back up his claims by saying it before their next fight and then reviewing their performance after. And this was without Pac being in the picture as the opponent.



Evander Holyfield would have fought anybdy. He still wants to now

 

How so?

Post-Plastered Cotto or Pre-Plastered Cotto?

Why is Pac fighting Margarito again?

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He really went all out this time with just throwing me the case against him.
You have a Post-KO'd victim, without his power tool, and at a catch-weight for a paper-title.

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Reminding you of the original post and other posts on certain pages....The "Given" is that Pac, like Floyd, are ATG/HOF fighters. But, BOTH, have picked certain easier fights at certain points in their career.


Now something I added later, for the other side to it, is the business side...and even health.

The smart thing to do was to have taken the path(s) they took. I have no problem with that as far as that...as far as making it a business decision and if I were say, the promoter/manager making the deals.

However, as fan, who wants to see the best fight the best, it's a different story.

 

and shane becaue of his age could anytime gas out like what happened in the floyd and cotto fight. iron chin would not help in a fight against pac as we seen against oscar. if pac had fought mosley, then another set of unsatisfied brats would probably put the age reason why shane lost. so cotto is good enough opponent for him. he rebounded well from the margo loss and beat clottey in an expected tough fight. would you expect him to stop clotey to believe that he is not destroyed the way you want to think?

cotto being destryoed by margo is a myth. cotto took a knee and the fight was stopped. he was not out cold in that fight. mosley looked worse in the mayorga fight than cotto in the clottey fight.

 

Yet Roach felt the odds favored a win over Cotto than Shane "to good" Mosley.

Shane had a close fight with Cotto. Was completely owned by Floyd after the round he stunned him.

a dead version of Oscar wasn't even knocked out despite the vast volume of punches coming his way.

Cotto was bloodied and battered by Margarito.

Shane ended that fight by KO. Cotto was looking to survive. Nice try.

Did Shane look Past his Peak? YES.
Floyd beat a past prime Shane Mosley. But still a Shane Mosley that was "to good" for Pac to fight.

Remember, Past Prime Shane was coming off a KO win over Margarito when Pac avoided him.
Roach was a dead-man walking in his 20's. One fight, that's all it takes to ruin you.