Barrera vs Zarate who was greater?

And you have completly dodged the points and questions I have brought up, as well as other posters have brought up.

Arguing with you on MAB is like arguing about Lopez with anarci. Like hitting ma heid aff a brick wa'.

 

You ****in' what, Greg?

 

I definitely don't think he was faster or more mobile at all. Zarate had very good feet, one of the very best at the lower weights at closing distance. Also, while an up-right fighter himself, he was a lot less hittable than Morales due to his better spacing and anticipation. Morales seemed to completely disregard upper-body/head movement the majority of the time in order to get off with his attacks. Zarate was more cultured in that respect.

Barrera wasn't much for footwork either, in my opinion. Relatively flat-footed, moreso than it's become fashionable to paint Zarate as, anyway. Saying that Zarate is highly ranked based on nothing is out and out ignorant or simply biased. At least when the comparison is brought up about your favorite fighter.

As for Jesse Reid, GPater acknowledged that already. He put out a video calling Canizales the all time Bantamweight king for Christ's sake. I think there's more than a little bias there. Not to mention his "analysis" wasn't very thorough, to say the least.

 

I think he was faster and more mobile, at least that's what I see on video footage of the two men.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7hz38AZnyQ[/ame]

Zarate actually looks very slow in this video. Telegraphing his right hand a lot, and throwing it from too far out that it's missing the target by inches.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN1o6mmXoJQ[/ame]

Here's Morales throwing a comparative arsenal of punches much quicker and in bigger volumes. Morales was quite clearly more mobile.

I didn't say based on nothing, and I wasn't actually trying to insinuate that his resume was complete dead weight. I've seen Zarate ranked extraordinarily high comparatively to what he actually achieved and the level of opposition he was beating at Bantamweight.

Point taken.

 

Morales' was a lot looser and sloppier than Zarate with his feet though.His quickest moments in that highlight are when he's hurling himself forward wide open against a washed up punchbag.

when he was actually fighting good fighters and punching properly out of his boxing stance, it's six and half a dozen between them imo.Morales always had those moments where he would start bounching and charge forward, but it was hardly Duran or Chang type stuff where it was well integrated.He usually ended up eating punches and having to reign himself back in a bit, bar the odd heroic rally against MAB.Though against Kelley ayala sure he could bounce about an showboat a bit, take things easy.Zarate never showboated,got extravagant against the lesser fighters he fought.Different kind of mentality, he was just no-nonsense and unflashy.Morales was more of a cruel Ray Leonard type.

 

I don't doubt any of that Lora, but Morales was still more mobile, explosive, and had slightly faster hands. I only made the comparisons because El brought Erik into the discussion, somehow citing that if Morales could do so well with Barrera then imagine what Zarate could do. I don't think they are even remotely the same, you pointed out the stylistic differences yourself. Generally speaking, more speed the more problems Barrera has fighting at his own pace...I think he'd be right at home in front of a Carlos Zarate. Just my opinion, I don't believe I'm being swayed by overwhelming bias.

 

Addie, you're biased as ****.

 

And he is completly selling Zarate short. Addie how many Zarate fights have you seen?

 

This is probably one of the fighters he draws conclusions on without having watched

 

I dont think Addie's observations are unreasonable at all.

But I am personally a fan of no nonsense and less overtly impressive approach of Zarate and Saldivar that Addie hasnt embraced as much.

Make no mistake though MAB is one of the finest 122-126 I have seen...just because he is a little more flashy and digestible (context?) doesnt mean he isnt a highly effective fighting machine.

Winona Ryder however, is a klepto slag.

 

If it is 5 or less fights I'm going to rip the **** out of him.

I think he is being unreasonable dismissing Zarate's resume by callling it 'nothing'. As I have said, barring Morales, Zarate's best three wins is better than Barrera's next best three.

Definitly, Barrera is an effective fighting force, Addie's comments on Zarate's ability and technical skills is fair game but he is praising Barrera and highlighting Zarate's weaknesses he aint balancing things. And I agree Barrera is digestible, wouldnt mind a sirloin Barrera steak.

Agree on Ryder.

 

Canizales ain't exactly Willie Pep though. In fact, between Zarate and Canizales, I'd say Canizales was the easier of the two to hit.

 

Oh is he still doing that...shame shame Addie.

All this digestible talk is giving me the munchies...that or the 2 joints of Ozzie Blue I just inhaled.

 

Who the hell voted Zarate?

 

What the hell is going on here. Am I invisible?

Baseless accusation. What part of my posts even suggest that? I've never had any problem in the past discussing fighters who I think would have tore Marco a new *******, I just don't think the slow-footed, one-paced Carlos Zarate qualifies.

Don't be so mature and smart. Now I've been asked though, I'm thinking it was Gomez, Pintor, Zamora, Martinez, and the conclusions of a lot if not all of what is currently being hosted on Youtube. To conclude, around the same amount of Barrera fights that you claim to have seen.

When have I ever dismissed Carlos Zarate resume as nothing? I said I found it to be out of touch with where's he typically ranked. You seem to think a win over Davila is better than moving up and dethroning Naseem Hamed.

But of course El Bujia and Itryamariti have got their balancing acts down to a tee. I'm not overly praising or going into detail regarding the strengths and weaknesses of Carlos Zarate much in the same way neither of those guys are discussing Barrera. This doesn't bother you as much. Shock, horror.

Your opinions on women are about as relevant as your opinion on taxes or wearing boxer shorts.