Barrera vs Zarate who was greater?

Orlando had a slightly better chin and perhaps a bit more strength. But there isn't a huge gulf between them.

As for Barrera, I'd fancy Zarate to knock him out. Lesser men have done it :good

 

Silly reasoning. Lesser men saw the distance with Carlos Zarate, and lesser man actually defeated him, namely Lupe Pintor. It's about styles in this game, and I tend to think Zarate would have a hard time getting his shots off against a faster and more dynamic fighter like Marco. Barrera was stopped a few times in his career, but that was against quick, explosive opposition.

I think Barrera wins on point...or probably stops Zarate late.

 

Davila was absoloutly quality though, from a pure boxing standpoint the guy is phenomenal.

I like the comparison of Davila and Canizales, both tidy and mobile boxer-punchers. Canizales hit harder, was sturdier and better offensivly whereas Davila was more rounded, better defensivly and quicker IMO.

He got his shots off against Martinez who presented him with angles and dynamicity, and martinez was faster.

 

Cool, Martinez isn't in the hall of fame for a reason though...with all due respect to his talent.

 

What reason is that?

He was a solid champion of his time and a talented boxer. Surely when evaluating wins it should be on how good your opponent was rather than how great your opponent was. You get me?

Martinez presented Zarate with a angle-driven and dynamic fight plan and Zarate coped with it well. This is the point I am making.

Also Barrera is not in the HOF either, it means jack **** really.

 

Overall point of course being that Barrera will do things in there that Davila wasn't capable of doing. One maybe have been a great fighter, the other is widely considered to be an all-time great fighter. Who will be in the hall of fame the moment he is eligable, make no mistake about it.

 

How does being an all time great automatically make you better than a fighter who is great. Greatness is not purely measured on ability, achievements, wins, title reigns etc... all come into play, how does this effect a fighter being able to do things in the ring.

And I wa snot speaking about Davila. I was syaing martinez provided a plan which you think would give Zarate problems, he dealt with it fairly well. That is/was my point. How do you think Barrera would implement it differently?

 

"Measured" would be a much more accurate way of describing Zarate's movements than would "slow". He fought to the speed of his opponents and the tempo of the exchanges. When he needed to step things up to get in the counters quickly or slip shots and move his feet, lack of speed never really held him back.

 

Pintor only beat him on paper. And Pintor at his peak is not imo a lesser man to Barrera.

The Pintor that fought Gomez in particular would be hell to beat.

Regarding you thinking Barrera would fare well with Zarate, well fair enough, but I disagree.

Slower fighters than Barrera have troubled Barrera and ones that don't punch near as hard as Zarate in a p4p sense (Morales, Marquez).

 

Barrera was the better more versitile fighter hands down.

 

I was telling Teeto the other day how some of you thought Pintor was just as good as Barrera. :yep Let's just say I disagree.