My Pound-For-Pound Top Ten (1st August 2010)

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  1. horst

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    He is the man in possession, the king on the throne. As the second-placed fighter is in the same division as the kingpin, the only way he can take this crown is in the ring, and to do that Floyd will have to actually man up, so Pac is safe at number 1 for the foreseeable future. Manny has barely lost a round over the last two years, and is now dominating and decimating men far naturally larger than himself - the definition of a pound-for-pound legend.


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    The only choice for number 2, Floyd joins Pacquiao in a league of two far above the best of the rest. Mayweather beat the far smaller Marquez with ease in a routine (and some would argue pointless and unfair) tune-up, but in his next fight he produced the goods big-time vs Mosley. Shook to his boots twice early on, Floyd showed his pound-for-pound star quality by winning every round thereafter. The pressure is now on for him to step up and try to reclaim his former position as number 1. The world continues to wait.

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    I realize this may be an unexpected and unpopular choice, but I think Dawson's accomplishments are underrated on the whole. To have beaten Tomasz Adamek as well as Glen Johnson twice, whilst establishing himself as the clear number 1 in the light-heavyweight division, is no mean feat for a young fighter - and anyone doubting the value of the Johnson wins need only see how Johnson turned away top 10 ranked Yusaf Mack in his most recent fight. Dawson has been at the top of his division for a few years now, has beaten the best of the generation before him, and is now taking on the toughest opponent available in Jean Pascal.

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    As many on ESB know, I am no fan of Wladimir, not by a long shot. However, even though I find him the most boring boxer of all-time, this does not blind me to his merits. I find it very strange that The Ring continues to ignore someone as dominant as he is. Wladimir is on a long unbeaten streak of dominant victories, and although the standard of opposition has not been great, it is not possible to fight consistently strong comp in a division as weak as heavyweight (especially when a good fighter like Povetkin inexplicably and in my opinion unforgivably shirks out of mandatory challenger status). I do not like Wlad as a boxer, and I do not like the heavyweight division, but a champion this dominant cannot be overlooked when it comes to pound-for-pound standings.

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    Martinez is a strange one in terms of pound-for-pound recognition. It wasn't long ago that he was fighting dire competition in small hall fights, and was a million miles away from mixing in this sort of company, but (depending on your personal perspective on the outcomes of some of his recent fights) his last three performances were pretty special. For me he clearly deserved a win vs Cintron, and I scored the Martinez-Williams fight to Maravila. A win over Williams is significant, as the Punisher is himself a legitimate pound-for-pound contender. The major scalp on his record is Kelly Pavlik though, what a win. Martinez, a natural lightmiddle weighing 167lbs on the night, vs Pavlik, middleweight KO specialist who was 178 in the ring, and Martinez turned in a supreme display to thoroughly deserve the verdict - and in my opinion to thoroughly deserve the #5 spot.

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    This is another choice which I'm sure many people will disagree with, but pound-for-pound talents are extremely rare in this era, there really aren't many strong candidates, and I think the Super Six leader and favourite deserves some recognition at this point. Although I personally prefer Andre Dirrell as a fighter, Ward is the one who is looking more complete and confident at this stage. To win every minute of every round in a high stakes fight vs Green was superb, and Ward almost shut out Edison Miranda as well. Of course, his greatest win was Kessler, making a mockery of his own inexperience to completely dominate a proven world-class supermiddleweight who went on to take Froch's zero in his next fight. Right now, Ward is looking every bit the next Bernard Hopkins, a long-standing star in the making and a fighter of extreme quality.

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    The Mayweather fight did not affect JMM's pound-for-pound standing one iota in my eyes. Marquez was only up at that weight for the payday, and the size differences rendered it a mismatch. However, I think both Diaz fights have shown that Marquez is patently not the fighter he once was. In 2008, JMM showed in the Pacquiao rematch that he was one of the top two active fighters in the world, but since moving above 130lbs I don't think he looks the same. Marquez's frame and body type clearly don't allow him to carry additional weight well - as proven by his bloated, overweight appearance in the Mayweather clash. In the first Diaz fight, Marquez really struggled with the Baby Bull's pace, aggression and strength early on before his own power, skill and accuracy won out. In the rematch, Marquez was again the better man, but it wasn't a dominant or spectacular or even particularly impressive performance - and a pound-for-pound top 3 or 4 guy would annihilate a Juan Diaz-calibre fighter IMO.

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    Many people will feel Williams should be above Ward, as Williams has been around longer and has a higher number of good wins on his ledger, but for me Williams has slid a little in the pound-for-pound stakes because of the nature of his recent fights. The Cintron fight had no resolution so no credit can be given to either man for the outcome, and I felt Martinez beat Williams. Winky Wright is well past his best and was coming off a very long lay-off, and Verno Phillips is even older than Winky! I do rate the win over Phillips, but if you are looking for the last time Williams was a convincing winner over a prime top 10 ranked opponent you'd have to go back to the Quintana rematch in '08. I think Williams has the potential to climb back up the rankings, but in all fairness he is in dire need of a big win, and soon.

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    I think Donaire is a great fighter, but I do think The Ring have given him an unjustifiably high placing in their top 10. Yes, he pulled off a sensational knockout of Vic Darchinyan... but that was three years ago now. Since then he has beaten a sequence of good, solid comp, but there's no real solid gold wins there. Donaire will occupy a higher placing in these rankings - but he should do so after he has unified titles or beaten another top name, not in anticipation of this.

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    I'm not a great believer in Calderon, but the dearth of valid contenders for the pound-for-pound top 10 sees him make the cut on the basis of his unbeaten record and longevity. I haven't been all that impressed with his last few performances on the whole, I think he is on the decline, and I don't think his resume is great, irrespective of the quality of the divisions he has fought in. However, in this era you can't knock a guy who has remained unbeaten as long as he has, he has shown himself to be a skilled boxer over the years.


    The next in line...

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    (very underrated fighter in impressive form over last couple of years)

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    (still has enough prestige from the Vasquez four-fight spectacular to jump right back up to elite level with a win over a Juanma Lopez or one of the other top young feathers)

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    (has the ability, needs to fight consistently better comp, the Kameda win is not enough in itself)


    Not there yet but could be soon with more wins vs top class comp...

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    Will have to earn their way back in...

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  2. Wiirdo

    Wiirdo Boxing Addict banned

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    If Juanma beats Rafa he should defnitely be in it. Dawson is an over-rated mother****er. Other than the Adamek win his resume is shallow as ****. Two old *******s(Even though Glen Johnson is a hero) and then nothing else. Hell Darchinyan has been KOing everything in sight and hasn't gotten a sniff.
     
  3. si_19

    si_19 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Andre Ward is not top 10
     
  4. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    I'm confused as to how the JMM win for Floyd is dismissed as a forgone conclusion, and a "nothing" win, yet someone could be so confident that Manny would beat Floyd. Considering how comparable JMM and Manny were in their two fights.
     
  5. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    I would but Dawson at 10 at the highest. Its refreshing to see a P4P list without Hopkins in it
     
  6. horst

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    JMM and Manny were comparable at 126 and 130.

    At 135, Marquez has looked good but beatable.

    Above 135, Marquez is a non-event.

    Above 135, Pacquiao has looked sensational.

    And Floyd fights above 135, he fights at 147.

    It's not very complicated at all.
     
  7. horst

    horst Guest

    I suggest you track down Darchinyan's last 2 fights.
     
  8. 02bash

    02bash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lol dawson at 3.
     
  9. horst

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    It won't seem so outlandish when Dawson beats Pascal.

    I can accept someone having Wladimir above Dawson, but other than him I don't see anyone deserving it at this point in time.
     
  10. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    What has Dawson done to be in front of Wlad?

    Froch beat Pascal Popkins but he went nowhere near the top 10.
     
  11. RealBoxing

    RealBoxing Kill The Nonsense Full Member

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    Donaire & Calderon are not top ten. :patsch
     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Let's see your list, brother?
     
  13. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bradley and Montiel should be on that list. Also i think you underrate Diaz when saying that an elite fighter would beat him easy, Diaz is tough and a long top tier guy at lIghtweight,although i do agree that Marquez is not the same fighter he was his accomplishments alone should give him at least a top 5 ranking. I wouldnt even argue with keeping him at 3. All the others below Pac and May have done much.
     
  14. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Pongsaklek wonjonkam deserves that p4p ranking way more than calderon

    i also do agree with bradley deserving to be on that list way more than someone like Donaire, although that darchinyan win is huge.
     
  15. M.I.G.

    M.I.G. and STILL... Full Member

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