My Top 10 Fighters of the Decade 2000-2009 (Video)

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  1. cupocity303

    cupocity303 New Member Full Member

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    Fair enough. I think him winning the Jr. Middle and portion of the Middleweight title vs Felix Sturm get him in. But I respect your opinion.

    So far, I'd only be willing to trade in Roy Jones and Delahoya, and put in Winky Wright and Calzaghe in their places.
     
  2. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was 1990s. Ruiz was his last gasp, 7 years ago. 14-6 is not top ten of the decade.
     
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  4. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    You have to have Wlad in there.

    A: Dominant HW of the last 8 years.

    B: One of the most dominant champions of all time, with contenders actually ducking him rather than face him.

    C: Only two losses in the period, with one of them avenged.

    D: Defeated 4 undefeated fighters, defeated 6 title holders, some of them twice and his overall record at the weight is very impressive.
     
  5. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    That's about right, with movement between Hopkins, Calzaghe, Marquez and Klitschko between 3,4,5,6 acceptable.
     
  6. cupocity303

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    Wow hold up, now whether he should be in the Top 10 is a fair point.

    But # 3 right behind Pac and Floyd??? I don't think so.

    He would be a very distant # 3 then, something like:

    1. Pacquiao
    2.Mayweather







    3. Calzaghe



    I could very well take out Lewis or Delahoya and put in Joe, but that's it. You did your best spin job to make his accomplishments look all-time great worthy but they're not. For most of that decade, he was laying low defending against WBO appointed mandatory mismatches.

    Finally he stepped up against Lacy, but who the hell was Lacy? He was a young paper champion anyway. He had what, 21 fights when he stepped up against Calzaghe? Joe should've unified those titles years ago.

    Kessler, good win.


    Hopkins - I had Hopkins winning a ugly decision, I was with that one judge who scored it for Hopkins. KNocked him down, landed the cleaner punches, and Joe's face showed it. The stats showed that Joe landed more but I watched that fight over and over, and all i'm seeing is Joe missing with wild shots and being countered with crisp counters.


    Roy Jones - Well, what about him, you pick a washed up former champion as your last retirement fight. Common, he could've done better than that.
     
  7. cupocity303

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    See post # 8 as my official response.

    And to add, the heavyweight division is weak, no established fighters. And yes he did get knocked out by two fighters, and they aren't all-time great heavyweights.
     
  8. cupocity303

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    Thank you.

    You're right, I was closing in towards the 10 min limit.


    LOL, yeah and that was done a bit with purpose. I'm slightly biased against the slapper but also could've given him a spot in the lower 10 bracker but didn't to get a few debates going.
     
  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Put it this way, take away Pacquaio and Mayweather from the reckoning and let's forget the amount of title defenses, the fact that he's undefeated and the fact that he took every title belt in his division away

    Name me any other fighter with the exception of Mayweather or Pacquaio who can boast a better list of won fights in 2000-2009 period

    B Level Talent: Sheika, Veit, Mkertchyan, Bika, McIntyre, Jones Jr (in the shape he was in)

    B+ Level Talent: Byron Mitchell, Woodhall, Lacy

    A Level Talent: Kessler, Hopkins

    That's 11 solid wins, six of them world class fighters with two of them being elite fighters and multi-time world champions.

    Can you name me any other fighter other than Mayweather or Pacquaio who has as many solid wins?
     
  10. PugilisticPower

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    No established fighters, because Wlad keeps beating them all. See the four undefeated challengers that he's beaten and the multiple once defeated fighters he's beaten, let alone champions.

    You're biased towards American known fighters with an obvious dislike of European fighters.
     
  11. cupocity303

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    That's if you consider them solid wins. I consider Hopkins's win and unification vs Undefeated Trinidad, far more impressive than Joe's Unification vs Lacy & Kessler.

    Yes Trinidad is a former Jr. Middleweight but he proved that he has KO power vs Joppy. And the fact that he was a undefeated 3-division champ coming in vs Hopkins, makes it that much greater on paper.

    Hopkins moving right up from 160 to 175, the old school way, and beating the legitimate champ Tarver is more impressive than Calzaghe moving up from 168 to 175 after 10 years in one division......to face two 40 year olds and struggle against one of them (hopkins.)

    Then Hopkins comes back after that Joe "loss", and schools the naturally big (just as big as B-Hop) Undisputed Middleweight Champ in KellY Pavlik, a fighter still in his 20's

    So yes, Hopkins >>> Calzaghe.


    Their Pre-Trinidad, Pre-Jeff Lacy resume though is identical, both defended their belts against B-Level top contenders at their weight class. But Hopkins beat the greater and more accomplished fighters as they went on.
     
  12. cupocity303

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    But how can I be, did you not see Post # 8? I have Wlad at # 3 in that P4P Video.

    There are people who left me comments that he shouldn't even be in the Top 10 P4P, yet alone Top 10 Fighters of the Decade.

    Calm yourself down, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they dislike the fighter.
     
  13. PugilisticPower

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    I agree with your points more than you know, that Hopkins and Calzaghe had very similar careers with a few fights that differentiate them.

    I'd consider beating Trinidad at Middleweight about the same level of accomplishment as defeating Kessler at Super Middle.

    Why? Joe gave away size and reach to Kessler, he was the much older fighter and he was near the end of his career. Kessler has since gone on and recaptured his title belts twice, including beating undefeated Carl Froch.

    Trinidad faded away after his loss to Hopkins, much in the same way Lacy faded away after his loss to Calzaghe.

    But.. taking into account that three of Hopkins best ever victories came immediately before (Winky, Tarver) or immediately after (Pavlik) lets us know that terming Hopkins as an "old fighter" is silly. The guy was still world class when he faced Calzaghe and lets not forget, Calzaghe was one fight away from retirement at the time - they were two old fighters fighting each other, still good enough to beat anyone else between 160-175 in my view.

    Also, Hopkins didn't go from 160 to 175 - he went from 160 to 170 and then to 175. He also skipped the most dominant champion (other than him) by moving past 168 when Calzaghe was there.

    Because of this - I consider Hopkins to be a much bigger win for Calzaghe than any win Hopkins has. Considering Kessler and Trinidad to be about equal, you're left with much of a muchness in the rest of their career, the victory over Hopkins (that 80% of the media had Calzaghe winning, that I scored 114-113 on the night and 115-112 on subsequent viewings) gives him the advantage and edge over Hopkins in my view.

    But like I say, there are several fighters you can argue about as #3 - I could make just as strong of an argument for Wlad.
     
  14. cupocity303

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    You're wrong here. After the two Taylor fights, he went to 175 to face Tarver, no catchweights.

    170 was after that against Winky.

    As far as Hopkins skipping Calzaghe, they skipped each other. Hopkins wasn't willing to go to UK, and Calzaghe kept talking about coming to America but wasn't backing it up, until the clause in his HBO contract stipulated that he must fight in America to fit the timezone of american TV., and so he did.
     
  15. PugilisticPower

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    This is wrong.

    You see, in 2001, Hopkins agreed with Don King that he would fight Calzaghe for a guarantee of $3 million so long as the fight was in America and shown on American prime time. Being that the fight itself wasn't expected to make much more than $3 million, he didn't expect that Calzaghe would say yes.

    Calzaghe said yes, Hopkins then refused to fight for less than $6 million. To give you some perspective, Hopkins only made $800k against Trinidad and $2.5 against De La Hoya.

    Source? Don King himself.