My Top 10 Fighters of the Decade 2000-2009 (Video)

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  1. cupocity303

    cupocity303 New Member Full Member

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    1.Are we in agreement now that Hopkins did go from 160 straight to 175?


    2 So now you're talking 2001. A whole different time. It's like moving the goal post. I thought we were talking about year 2006 where Hopkins bypassed supper-middleweight to go straight to light-heavy, which I said was old school, considering there was no 168 division in the old days.

    When I hear Calzaghe fans talk about Roy Jones & Hopkins ducking Calzaghe in 2001, I always laugh. He was a nobody in 2001. He was supposed to chase them, not the other way around.

    Joe never admitted publically that he doesn't wanna fight in the States, he always brought up coming to America after every fight for years on Showtime. Yet he never came until the HBO contract that stipulated he must fight in America to accommodate the live schedule of HBO.

    Showtime never forced him to fight in America, and thus he never did. Frank Warren made sure of that as well.
     
  2. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Yup - I seemed to recall the Winky fight coming first rather than the Tarver, my mistake


    Calzaghe definitely was a nobody which is why he struggled to get the fights he wanted to get until Lacy turned up and made it personal, once he had the success from Lacy, he got the biggest fighters to be made (Hopkins and Kessler) in his division/near his division

    Which makes it all the more puzzling that Hopkins wouldn't accept a career pay day to fight him on his home soil at the time.

    Jones Jr himself even mentions looking at Calzaghe as a potential opponent in the late 90s but said conversations with people like Eubank meant the risk vs reward was way too high as Calzaghe wasn't known and couldn't generate money.

    Calzaghe himself did chase Hopkins, he also chased Jones Jr and he spent the majority of his time trying to get Ottke in the ring. He just never really had the money available to force these fights - similar to Margacheato.
     
  3. miggzthatnucca

    miggzthatnucca Active Member Full Member

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    If pac and may get k.od by a bunch of b class fighters they ranking would go down ... so if they win 2/1 ratio of their fights this decade it would take a toll on where they stand when this decade is over ... as far as calzaghe goes .. I don't like him but his acomplishments are there ... he was undisputed champ @ super middle and light heavy ... could he have done more? Yes .... but he did fight some fights that he didn't have to fight
     
  4. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very nice video overall.
    I would switch #1 and #2, and I would have given them both more screen time.
    It is still a very good video, and thank you for posting.
     
  5. cupocity303

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    I still don't see how he chased them. Chasing them would mean taking a fight in the States in the interim, to let the U.S. Audience see you live.

    Hatton did that, after he left Frank Warren, fought live on HBO in the states, and Mayweather was calling.

    Out of 44 fights to only come to to the states for your last 2 speaks volumes. Those 2001 negotiations rather seem hearsay, nothing was in stone. If he wanted their attention he should've left the comforts of home and defended his title in the states where the majority of great fighters were residing at.

    Someone like WBO 154 champ Dzindurak knows not to complain about not getting big fights, while fighting mostly in Germany. That's why he got himself a new U.S. based promoter, and just fought in the states for exposure.

    Maybe after 2 more fights, he can be in line for Miguel Cotto.

     
  6. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    He tried, he offered fights to Hopkins in the states. We've already been over this. You're wanting a guy who at that time, wasn't getting any TV revenue and was making all of his money from live gates to leave a very faithful following and sacrifice money in order to fight in the states?

    The moment the money was better, he fought in the states.

    You seem to be forgetting something - Hatton didn't fight outside of the UK until after....? Kosta Tsyzu. A break out performance which earned him fame and followers worldwide. After which, like Calzaghe, he was free to go to the states and still make money

    Funny, how many fights outside of the states did Hopkins and Jones Jr have? Ah yes. That's right.

    Cmon, be logical - not non sensical. You're just coming across as completely biased against Calzaghe for things that don't even impact the wins he did have during that time period.
     
  7. miggzthatnucca

    miggzthatnucca Active Member Full Member

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    I think may pac are top 2 u can switch em... hopkins to me is a lock @ 3 ... 4 5 6. Mix it up wlad marquez and cal .. 7 thru 10 .. I wouldn't mind seein hatton or calderon or maybe even wonjongkam & chris john ... its wateva but I think mosley and cotto deserve it
     
  8. cupocity303

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    Jones & Hopkins don't have to come to europe. All the action and most importantly MONEY was in America. If you're an American actor, you don't go to Europe chasing roles, you go to Hollywood and so do European actors because that's the mecca.

    And Hopkins did fight twice outside the U.S. early in his career. Once in France and once in Ecuador, when he was just another scrub.
     
  9. miggzthatnucca

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    Difference between hatton and cal is that cal was a champ before his break out fight (lacy) and hatton became a champ thru his breakout fight (kostya) ... hatton fought in the us pretty soon after becoming champ ... maybe a year or so ... where calzaghe spent nearly a decade to travel across the ocean and that's what hurts his legacy .... still I think he has a solid resume for the decade
     
  10. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Calzaghe fought 90% of his fights outside of his home country.

    PS - the money for SMW is and still remains to be in Europe.
     
  11. cupocity303

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    Yeah well of course he did, but he still fought 90% of his fights in the U.K. and Wales is part of it. If he did strictly fight in Wales, it would even be worse.

    And yes you could say that the "money" at 168 was and still is in Europe. But not real money. The 168 division has largely been held hostage with belt holders strictly defending their belt in their region once they win it. If Andre Ward wins the Super 6 tournament though, that division and the money is going American.

    Spots where the casinos are at in the U.S. are where the big money is at, even if it's not a big fight event. Guys like Calzaghe and Hatton sell out 50,000 seats in their region and still don't make as much money as a guy in the U.S with half that many in attendance, if it's in Las Vegas.
     
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    I still don't know why people think the 21st decade started in 2000. It started in 2001.

    The first year was "year 1", not "year 0", so the decade is not over yet.

    Otherwise, good video. Calzaghe is missing.
     
  13. PugilisticPower

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    Forget the Floyd, Oscar, Mosley, Pacquaio and Hopkins show.

    Dawson's career pay day to date was against Tarver for a total of 450k. Most fighters in America don't make big bank. Fighters in Europe are actually making more money for the tier below superstar.
     
  14. HEADBANGER

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    theres quotes from lou di bella who was at the centre of negotiations for hopkins v calzaghe in 2002.

    hopkins demanded $3m to fight calzaghe in america thinking that his demands would not be met. calzaghe's camp agreed to the $3m demands to fight hopkins IN AMERICA, only for hopkins at the last minute of the deal being agreed to come back and ridiculously demand $6m, purposefully pricing himself out of the fight and blatantly ducking calzaghe.

    $3m was a career high pay day at the time for hopkins, so you tell me why he ducked fighting calzaghe in america for a career high pay day?

    8 months later, hopkins fought ATG hakkar for just $700'000 :lol: - says it all really, so take your ****ing blinkers off and stop talking shite.
     
  15. JOSEY WALES

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    Spot on post apart from it was show times Jay Larkin who brokered the deal . Warren and Joe agreed to fight Hopkins in the states in 2002 Hopkins agreed with the $3 million U$ only to demand a reputed U$6 million dollar purse the next day , he priced himself out of a fight with Calzaghe in 2002 .