Who has the best resume out of the Fab 4?

Duran's resume is not that great. It is way overrated. Davey Moore had 11 fights and dental surgery that week, but eliminated the dental surgery and 11 fights and the fact Duran lost to Benitez easily a year and a half before Moore, and a year after Moore was Hearns and a 2nd round KO. Barkley was beaten by everyone at middleweight. His only claim to fame was beating Hearns, but Barkley is not great. Palomino is a southern California guy from West. boxing club, and that speaks for itself. Cuevas washed up in 1983 post Stafford

 

i see you can't come up with an excuse for the Leonard loss so i'm just gonna sit back and at you attempting damage control for these guys losing to a career lightweight.

 

These guys you mention losing to a career lightweight were not Hearns or Benitez or Hagler. They were Moore and Barkley. Duran fans rarely even talk about the Benitez fight or try to explain how Duran had 15 rounds to stop Benitez and he couldn't and was outboxed easily. They would rather mention Moore who had 11 fights and was not great, and then say it was a great win. Duran never stopped a great, which is something significant. Stopping a fight is significant since it shows dominance over a skilled fighter at that elite level. Duran never did that. He dominated Lampkin, but not Leonard for example. As for Hearns beat for his titles were Cuevas,Benitez,Virgil Hill, and he beat Duran.. Cannot say that for Duran no matter what. But people here say his resume is the best of all of them. By resume I think they mean wins, and in that case he cannot have the best resume.

 

By the way I have said what I feel about the Leonard loss. Watch the second fight compared to the first and watch Ray's foot movement. Ray adjusted and used the ring and he won easily. Before Duran quit in round 8 he was getting hit with body punches and head more and more. He knew he was going to get stopped. Ray could punch. This adjustment showed that the person who controlled the variables to winning or losing was Leonard and not Duran. When other guys had speed, that is something Duran could not overcome with Benitez,Hearns,Leonard. He could overcome guys like Moore and Barkley, but not the greats, which to me is significant and cannot be overlooked.

 

Duran couldn't overcome guys who were ATG's in their own right, at higher weights, with stylistic and physical advantages while he was past his prime? What a ****ing fraud. Strike this cholo off the P4P lists.

 

I think the most overlooked part of Hearns' legacy is that the biggest people he beat were at the near apex of their careers. Hill and Cuevas had 21 title defenses between them. Benitez had recovered magnificently from the Leonard loss, even having Duran's scalp. Duran was on one of the best runs of his post-Lightweight career with wins over Cuevas and Moore along with a respectable showing against Hagler. Even in his major defeats, Leonard was definitely at his highest he would ever be at WW and Hagler was undefeated for 9 years.

 

talk about a great excuse Duran was this little fighter. Like I said before the weight which Duran fought Benitez and Hearns and lost easily to both was a weight he fought at before they ever did. He fought tuneup fights at that weight as far back as 1978. Duran was overrated in my mind, but if everyone likes him and buys into his machismo and uses that to rate him higher that is fine, but I do not. Beating other ATG fighters is what makes a fighter great.

 

exactly right, and he fought Marvin at a time Ray would not have gotten in the ring with him. He beat Hill and Cueves when they were both champs and won the titles of Cueves (1980) and Hill (1991) 11 years apart. If that is not great than what is.

 

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Hearns UD12 Hill > Duran UD15 Leonard ?
In weight ratios it is true but Hill's quality was nowhere near Leonard's quality.

And then consider Duran decisioned Castro in their rematch , which I doubt both' seriousness in their two fight but I may be wrong.

Hearns decision losses to Hagler and Sims are also extremely impressive for a former 135lber and then his SD over Barkley and then a few more.

I did not claim here anyone's resume is better than the others' but note how close it is , which is why I did not vote.

I would have added Barkley and Sims to make it a fab 7.
But who did Cuevas ever beat ? why does a win over him count for someone like Hearns ? had it been Duran it would have been a good win , but not for Hearns . Note : Duran fought at 135 to 160 , Leonard at 147 to 168 , Hearns at 147 to 190 , Hagler at 160 , take it into consideration.
H2H Duran was the slightly inferior of the 4 , but remember he achieved about the same as Hearns against Leonard and Sims , slightly worse against Benitez , and much more against Duran and Barkley , lost by KO to Hearns himself.

 

Duran

No, Ray Leonard's resume is great and not overrated

No, Roy Jones resume does not stack up with the Fab 4

 

Actually he has a point considering fighters like Langford , Robinson , Burley , Basilio , Armstrong , Charles , Young Peter Jackson (top 20) , Canzoneri (top 30) , and some more I did not bother to search.
And these are the consensus , if you know what P4P is , you must not discount fighters such as Orlin Norris , Chris Byrd and James Toney from your top 30 at least , and David Tua , a 5'9" (on paper) HW.
And to the record : boxrec's P4P all time list is also **** , Harry Wills at #25 , and many more anomalies and oddities .

 

Moron. Moron. Moron. Moron. Moron. Moron. Moron how old? 15?

 

Where are you kids coming from? What color is the sky in your world?

 

Assinine. Assinine. Assinine. Assisine. Asses. this classic forum has become a joke. time to leave it alone for awhile. bye-bye.