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Sigh, again - taking the year ending ratings isn't a true reflection of the entire year - you have to recall that in 1999, Calzaghe injured himself and only fought twice - his last fight being in June which at the time, he was #1 after the victory

2000 - Ottke was rated higher than him.

2001 - Calzaghe traded places with Ottke throughout the year.

2002 onwards til Ottke's retirement in 2004 - Calzaghe was ranked well ahead of him.

So, out of the years they spent from 1998-2004 - Calzaghe was ahead for the majority of years, again - tell me how my statement was wrong?

 

I showed you a legitimate source. Ottke was ranked #1 more times than Calzaghe.

A yearly basis is more fair in this situation since it would be obvious Calzaghe would rank higher when he won, and his rank would be challenged up until Ottke wins. Hence they would trade places.

Between 1998 - 2003, Ottke fought much tougher opposition than Calzaghe, and deserved to be ranked above Calzaghe, so even if you look at it from that direction it makes sense.

Again just check the source I gave
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_Super_Middleweight--2000s

 

The source you gave are the end of year rankings - I've had a Ring Subscription since 1996 - even if you take the end of year rankings into account

97 - Calzaghe 4th, Ottke 8th
98 - Calzaghe 2nd, Ottke 4th
99 - Calzaghe 2nd, Ottke 1st
2000 - Calzaghe 2nd, Ottke 1st
2001 - Calzaghe 2nd, Ottke 1st
2002 - Calzaghe 1st, Ottke 2nd
2003 - Calzaghe 1st, Ottke 2nd
2004 - Calzaghe 1st, Ottke 2nd (until his retirement in mid 2004)

Sl, Calzaghe beat Ottke in the rankings 5 times out of 8 on end of year rankings.

Yet like I said, Calzaghe was injured during the 99-2001 period and didn't have as many fights, generally you found immediately after a fight, he'd go ahead of Ottke, only for Ottke to go ahead of him in their fight - take a look at any Ring Magazine in 2000 before July and Calzaghe is #1.

What's more, despite Calzaghe calling Ottke out publically time and time again - Ottke never wanted to fight - the same Ottke who got gifts in many of those "tougher fights" where Calzaghe would fight them the fight after and destroy them.

If you go by months, Calzaghe would have lead 80% of the monthly rankings. - Even going by Yearly rankings, he still lead 70%

 

Thats one argument, and fair enough

 

The thread starter is well know racist. Nothing more needs to be said really.

 

Calzaghe would of been a true great if he fought at prime RJJ, Toney, or Bhops. If Green ko'd Jones, that must make him a great too.

 

While they were both active champions.

Ottke defended his title 22 times, and had 1 unification bout.
Calzaghe defended his title 13 times, and had 0 unification bouts.

Also look at the years they fought, Ottke's opposition was always stronger than Calzaghe's, maybe except for 2001.

Ottke in 98: Charles Brewer (IBF Champion, Pre-Calzaghe)
Calzaghe in 98:Branko Sobot, Juan Carlos Gimenez

Ottke in 99: Nardiello, Hernandez, Thomas Tate, Glen Johnson
Calzaghe in 99: Robin Reid (Pre Ottke), Rick Thornberry (Pre-Ottke)

Ottke in 00: Lloyd Byran, Tocker Pudwill (Pre-Calzaghe), Brewer II, Branco
Calzaghe in 00: David Starie (Pre Ottke), Omar Sheika, Woodhall

Ottke in 01: Crawford, Ennebetti, Butler, Mundine
Calzaghe in 01: Mario Veit, Will McIntyre

Ottke in 02: Rick Thornberry, Thomas Tate II, Joe Gatti
Calzaghe in 02: Brewer, Jimenez, Pudwill

Ottke in 03: Mitchell (WBA Champion, Pre Calzaghe), Starie, Larsen, Reid
Calzaghe in 03: Mitchell

Ottke in 04: Krajnc
Calzaghe in 04: Mkrtchyan

Ottke fought way better opposition throughout those years, was more active throughout those years, and unified belts throughout those years.

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And disagree with you argueing against the above quote from PowerPuncher.

 

It's when I come here that I understand the word "obsessed" the most!:roll:

 

you need to get out more. Seriously. Just say the words Calzaghe is and will be an ATG. Saying it will set your free.

 

Man what you contributing to this discussion?
What facts and expert opinion and boxing analysis goes along with your contribution?

What is your fascination with PuglisticPower, that when ever me and him are in a boxing discussion, you enter and jump on his dick trying to get yourself involved

Such as http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7416657&postcount=42

It looks ****ed up that whenever I am in a discussion with PuglisticPower in regards to boxing, you jump in and start kissing his ass and contribute **** all to the discussion.

Either contribute something related to the topic, or just refrain from the topic all together.

 

I just find it funny how much time you investing into trying to discredit Joe Callzaghe's resume. You clearly are an angry young man who needs to get out more. Now can you please give me the ratios for these stats
Ottke's opposition had a record of: 642 Wins, 62 Loses, 10 Draws
Calzaghe's oppositon had a record of: 367 Wins, 33 Loses, 5 Draws

 

Thing is, Soulja - you're talking subjectively, you want to avoid the wins Calzaghe had in 96 and 97 when both were also active because that changes the scale of the argument quite markedly.

You also don't take into account how many times Calzaghe destroyed opponents that Ottke was considered lucky to get away with a win against, in fact in many of those situations, robbery would be the word.

That's why the Ring consistently ranked Calzaghe higher, as I showed.

 

I find all this in question...

I already counted the number of undefeated/once defeated fighters they both fought and I had it at 16 a piece, with Roy's list looking far more impressive.

I think Roy may have more title fights as well.

I added up the numbers on Roy's opponents fought, and it came out to 1,505 wins 280 losses.... Calzaghe's were 1,036 wins 293 losses. Unless you were talking about opponents beaten not fought, Roy wins that too.

And how many top 3 p4p fighters did Calzaghe beat? And who were they ranked by?

All Calzaghe has on Roy that you posted was best win/loss percentage, by my count anyway.

 

Up until Calzaghe vs Lacy in 2005, Calzaghe and Ottke had done pretty much the same things. Both held onto a title and defended it multiple times.

Im not saying Ottke is better than Calzaghe, Calzaghe has a better resume, and was more skilled/talented. I just agreed with the statement that Ottke was fighting at a higher level when both were active. Calzaghe stepped to the next level in 2005 by beating Jeff Lacy and becoming the undisputed SMW champion. But Ottke was retired in 2005, and that wasnt part of this specific discussion.

During the times both were active, 1997 - 2004, Ottke defended his title more times, won 2 major world titles, and fought tougher opposition overall. Ottke unified the title within 5 years of winning the IBF, Calzaghe unified the title within 8 years of winning the WBO.

According to the ring annual ratings Ottke was ranked #1 more times than Calzaghe during the times they were champions. Which I said in response to you saying:

All indicating and supporting the initial claim:

Ottke fought at a higher level during the time they were both active.

During the time they were both active
Ottke was 34 - 0, Calzaghe was 17 - 0
Ottke had 22 world title fights, Calzaghe had 15.
Ottke had 1 unification fight, Calzaghe had 0.

Further indication that during the time they were both active Ottke fought at a higher level overall.

 

Ottke never fought anyone on Eubank's level and his close calls with guys like Mitchell invalidate him. There is a reason no one wanted to unify with Calzaghe until he was in his late 30s.