Ali fraud...

[quote=frankenfrank;7451370]You know **** about P4P.
Ali enjoyed a size advantage over his average opponent , and failed to impress against much smaller men such as : Chuvalo , Frazier , Doug Jones , some may say Henry Cooper (?) , but I still do not know about him.
And then some more. Shavers may have always given him problems too .[/quote]

Wepner
Bugner
Dunn
Lewis
Foster
Mathis
Terrell
Williams
Lyle
Foreman
Norton
All as big, or bigger than Ali.

 

Louis was discharged on October the first 1945, he did not fight Billy Conn till 8 months later ,on June 19th 1946, maybe he was waiting for Billy to get out of the service?

 

I kind of did actually. Roy Jones at 195 may just be comparable to prime Ali in speed. Hard to know since he only had one fight at that weight, though, and in that fight he hardly showed the kind of footspeed prime Ali had. Looking at his spindly legs at that weight I very much doubt he could show that speed at HW, I must say.

 

Yeah. Jones looked slow in comparisson to a prime Ali.

 

I know ****..? lmao..

So I guess when Ali faced Wepner, Foreman, Norton, Terrell, Bugner, and Alvin Lewis, he had real problems, right?
The fact is that Ali was the best fighter of the 60s and 70s and he proved that by defeating the best out there.
He ranks very highly p4p

 

Wepner
Bugner
Dunn
Lewis
Foster
Mathis
Terrell
Williams
Lyle
Foreman
Norton
All as big, or bigger than Ali.[/quote]
I disagree that Shavers would always have given him problems. By 1977 Ali was faded. The Ali of two/three years earlier would have beaten Earnie as convincingly as Larry Holmes did.

 

keep taking the meds

 

Great post.When you watch those fights with an unbiased opinion you really do wonder what all the fuss was about.All the holding ,running ,grabbing Ali stank a lot of places out.As for the Liston fights -diabolical.The close decisions,glove ripping and blatant bias from referees it was shameful and nobody would get away with it now.For people to consider Ali no.1 heavyweight is laughable - the guy even punched like a welterweight.

 

Yeah Mike Spinks could at least punch properly!!Ali`s best shot was the one that floored Liston without actually making contact!!!!!

 

He was as FAST as a welterweight ! Ali may not have been a one punch banger,but he was no powder puff hitter either.

 

Every great champion had their flaws,and the odd piece of luck. Muhammad certainly did,but sometimes it's almost like he's the only one that gets criticised for thse things. This can be irritating.

 

Ali was a great white hype that got exposed by true Champions Larry Holmes and Berbick. Everyone knows the 80s was the greatest era for Heavyweights ever. Spinks was like Frazier but with real athleticism and skills. Tim Witherspoon is a bigger, stronger, faster, version of Norton. Prime Cooney was better than Foreman, saw what he did to Young and Lyle? Of course he was washed up and past prime when Foreman beat him. Holmes beat the best of his era and ducked noone!

 

That was no fault of Ali's. As I said,look through boxing history,and you'll find every great one has bent the rules every now and again.