F***-off

The bottom line is: Calzaghe possibly had the potential to be an ATG, but he simply isn't because his resume is weak. There are a couple good, maybe very good wins on his record, but they are few and far between. Why this is so doesn't even matter, at the end of the day he's not an ATG, and his hardcore fans try to defend their man when they should be mad instead for him not giving them the fights they wanted.

 

What fights are these then? Calzaghe was a SMW, who didnt he fight in his division that was willing to fight him?

 

Even Warren said it was Calzaghe holding Calzaghe back. His refusal to actually fly anywhere, together with lack of a big name, meant he wasn't going to get big fights.

 

Big fights against who at SMW?

 

Apparent big fights he was supposed to have.

Glen Johnson: Lost to Omar Sheika who Calzaghe thrashed.

Frankie Liles: Retired to duck Calzaghe, destroyed by Mitchell who Calzaghe destroyed

Markus Beyer: Scraped out with a technical draw against Bika (should have lost) and lost to Kessler who Calzaghe beat easily, very close decision with Woodhall who Calzaghe beat easily

Anthony Mundine: Easily beaten by Kessler

Sven Ottke: Refused to face Calzaghe, had razor close decisions with David Starie, Byron Mitchell, Robin Reid. Got a gift against Brewer and took Tocker Pudwill 12 rounds when Calzaghe spanked him in two.

Bernard Hopkins: Wouldn't face him despite career pay day, ended up facing him when they were still both Top p4p talent and got beaten

Kelly Pavlik: Got dominated by Hopkins when Calzaghe was looking to fight him.

Jermain Taylor: Got beaten by Pavlik making him invalid

Antonio Tarver: Beaten by Hopkins, making him invalid.

Yes, Calzaghe should still have fought some of these guys and beat them - but it's a forgone conclusion who would have won. He practically beat a guy who beat every single fighter he was supposed to face and didn't.

 

Bottom Line

but these discussions will continue for a long time.

 

deal Fantastic quote which says it all

 

What a dumb ass post.

Hopkins skipped over him
And the others were 175 not 168. Jones could have been made but that would have been on Jones to make it as he was the Marque.

 

I don't always agree with you... And I don't hate Calzaghe... But this is a ****ing awesome post.

It's funny that everyone gives Jermain Taylor ****, but he fought a lot of top class fighters. While Calzaghe gets praised and he did very little until the end of his career...

Once again, good post!

 

You obviously dont know the facts. Or know anything about guys like Starie, Veit or Mkertchyan. Read some of the other quotes above

 

No way... He fought Roy Jones in the 90's...Glen Johnson does not even compare to the version of Roy Jones that beat him.atsch

The best fighter he ever fought from the 90's was the fighter of the decade, just like Pac is now....

 

Look - Jermain Taylor fighting guys is good - but when he loses to some of them and has absolute stinkers against guys like Spinks, it's hard to think that they're good achievements.

You can't give someone credit for the fighters they didn't beat.

 

Sure you can, especially if they are good matches.

In my books a fighter that has a 50/50 record against the very best fighters is much better than the boxer who has a 100% average against mediocre opposition.

The win isn't all that matters, boxing fans used to know this, now they seem to be confused...

Paul Williams win over Kermit Cintron means nothing because the match ended in the manner it did. However, José Luis Castillo's loss means everything because it was such a close match and showed that he could hang with the very best in the sport...

More often than not a perfect record means you didn't fight the best...

 

Calzaghe was a top fighter, whatever way you look at it. Unless you're a c*nt .

 

You can't give Jermain Taylor credit for being beaten by Pavlik in the way he was beaten in either fight, nor being KO'ed by Froch, nor being KO'ed by Abraham.

You can give credit to someone like Sam Soliman taking Winky Wright so close or JLC vs Floyd Mayweather Jr but that credit must be marginal.

It's the same as say the Lacy performance. Yes, Lacy wasn't as good as the hype, but that dominant performance put on by Calzaghe? That's worthy of bigtime credit.