hey man if you have a problem with someone.. insult the man himself if you must. but stupid remarks like this ?? you probably don't have kids yourself ??
Ali is the GOAT, Sugar Ray is the lamb. Not Pittsburgh's Greb or Boston's Sam. Their primitive styles, would get em put on thier asses. Is the film so poor, or do you just need glasses!? The flash Roy Jones seems great to some, but only a clown would fight so dumb. And Tyson was dangerous, like the Mummy hit hard. But the Greatest's chin was blessed by the Sun God! If Duran is Frazier, then Leonard is Clay. And Hearns is Foreman, you see what im sayin! And Ali was old, stll quick he caught em' and hell, Kirkland Laing aint no Ken Norton! WHO ELSE YOU CLAIMIN'? THEYRE ALL LITTLE GIRLS.! ONLY THE GREATEST SHOOK UP THE WORLD! He never quit the dust was never bit. It took a disease to bring him to his knees! You're nothin but a worm, bad mouthin' a dragon! Safe beneath the seas and sands that he held in his hands! So get your coat, you absolute joke. Or bow to master, the no.1 GOAT! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-PqasYEswc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-PqasYEswc[/ame]
The Ali who danced rings around Williams and Terrell was 212. That's generally considered his best weight. He was 210,5 in his first fight against Liston. Hell, watch him at 224 against Ellis. Still looks fast.
Yeah. It gets boring to rehash all this if he really lost to Norton and Young, if he was lucky to win in Manilla etc. It's more interesting to look at his unorthodox style. His style was obviosuly flawed in terms of fundamentals, but did he only have athletecism, chin and heart to make up for this? I personally think there was more to him than that. Even in his more lacklustre fights, like the one against Lyle, one can see other sides to his game that are really interesting. Hell, even against Shavers. I love that.
He sure did ! During the first half of the 70's,even though he'd slowed down a little,Ali was still phenomenally fast for a heavyweight.
Yes i've just jumped on Ali's bandwagon,i've just realised this minute he was a great fighter i never knew that previous.Anyway what's all this gangsta type of dialogue? You're clearly thick as pigs **** and if you had dominoes for brains you'd be knocking.
Past his prime at 23 you say? Tell me how many fighters in boxing history were past it at that age with virtually no ring wear and tear and barely having to have gone the distance in any fights? The answer is no one.Tyson lost in his prime,accept it.It's his own fault if he didn't train properly and was lazy and his and his managements fault for having a **** corner in Tokyo. The Spinks win was no great shakes either (accept for the manner in which he did it).Spinks was rusty and scared and was just there for the pay day.Plus his stint at Heavy was relatively unaccomplished (two close controversial wins over a Holmes ready to be taken and an under prepared Gerry Cooney) unlike his reign at Lt Heavy.
I can feel the TS, because, on the face of it, the hyped Muhammad Ali can often come across as nothing but a pampered, harmless slapper or grabbing cheater, particularly if you compare some of his footage with that of a tornadic Mike Tyson, a rampaging Foreman, the all-business Larry Holmes, or the great Joe Louis. But, first, you have to see the whole picture, and, resume-wise, Ali and Louis are simply untouchable at heavyweight. This can be demonstrated with cold facts and figures. And Ali did it in unique fashion: when you do something for 10 years, you can become great at it. Ali won the heavyweight crown with 10 years of competition under his belt, as a stylist --not, mind you, a puncher-- in the ring. He was the antithesis of the dominant heavyweight: in a division in which power can turn destinies in a second, Ali preferred one simple premise, and focused his extraordinary abilities and determination on this alone: hit (just good enough for the win; never to kill) ... and not get hit. Apart from the Williams masterpiece, when you see Ali, you will not always be blown away by a frightening juggernaut. But you will always see the subtleties, tools and knowledge only a Master at his craft can command. Because success in the ring is about so much more than simply putting one's head down and swinging. This breadth of earned options saw him through many tight spots that would have halted a lesser boxer, a lesser great.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but to say that ali doesn't belong in the top 10 shows profound ignorance.
I agree. I think that the foreman that fought Ali would have destroyed any other heavyweight in history.
All that a fighter can do is beat the best contenders of their era. Verry few great heavyweights shared an era with other greats but Ali did. I think that even people who were initialy skeptical of him were ultimately forced to acept the evidence of their own eyes.