Tonight 8/7 Alexander vs Kotelnik Cloud vs Johnson RBR

Not only lederman but other boxing writers also had it for Devon.

 

lol, we would have to be ******ed not to see what your agenda is. da lost, plain and simple. and yes I know, im like everyone else and just hate black fighters, so you dont have to use that line again.

 

And they got a few stacks for their effort.

 

I agree with you on AK not throwing enough the first stages of the fight, even though he was successful in landing- as the visiting fighter, his corner should've warned him that doing just enough or leaving it up to interpretation wasn't going to get him the win tonight in St. Louis. Even though I don't like it, it's so commonly known that visiting guys have to do more that I can't believe they don't take hometown scoring into account more than they do- I thought Froch-Dirrell was another case of this.

He had to win every single aspect of the fight to win tonight, and he fell short on workrate because he didn't take the judging into account. By every other measure, he won it....but when you're coming in to a fight as simply "the opponent" with a crowd and promotional support squarely for the other guy, they'll take any opening you give them to make sure their guy wins.

 

I knew after about round three that this was going to be one of "those" fights. I can usually call them ahead of time. One of those fights where one fighter's style (movement, activity, slickness) plays to the preferences of one group of people and the other's (timing, accuracy) plays to the other group. In Europe, there's a strong preference for the latter style and in the US, there's a strong preference for the former, almost as an extension of the ideal "US style" and the ideal "European style". I wasn't monitoring the boards while the fight was going on, but after the fight, I knew that there would be a huge controversy on ESB about it. That's not to say that all Americans thought Alexander won and all Europeans thought Kotelnik won, but that people who judge based on the US archtype were more likely to award the fight to Alexander, and vice-versa with the European archtype. Shades of Dirrell/Froch.

I recorded the fight and watched it a second time, with both schools of thought in mind. My first score was 116-112 Alexander, just like the judges and most of the US media. My second score was 116-112 Kotelnik.

Overall, I don't think of it as a robbery. It all comes down to what you value most in a winning fighter. I thought Alexander won on controlling the action and the "feel" of the fight. It was constantly Alexander setting the terms of Kotelnik reacting to it. Kotelnik did land the cleaner shots overall, but the number of Alexander's landed shots weren't that far off, and he more than made up for it with activity. I know there are people here who don't score blocked shots at all. I credit that as part of ring generalship, because you're forcing either action or reaction out of your opponent. But I can understand how people wouldn't, so I wouldn't complain about any score ranging between 116-112 towards either fighter. It's definitely not a robbery, though. Just one of "those" fights.

One other point I'll make - people need to stop with the racism **** here. There's an obsession with it that I'm picking up in the US that's really got me concerned. It came to a head with that mass shooting where the shooter had a history of quitting every job because he thought everybody was racist and out to get him and he finally snapped. Then I was watching a reality show based in the US where a white woman attended a party hosted by black women and said she liked George Bush and didn't like Tyra Banks, and all the black women at the party accused her of racism. Nobody is under any obligation to like every black person just because they're black. You have to like what they're doing. And not everybody who doesn't like what a black person is doing is racist. Let it go. I can't say a single bad thing about Obama without being labeled a racist!

 

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Why'd you change your Alexander avatar?

Bunch of wagon jumping mofos on this ****. :rofl

 

I change it 10 hours before the fight happen. And i think this chick is just so sexy that i want to see every bit of her in my avatar.

 

You're accusing the media of taking bribes to score the fight for Alexander? Who would pay them? A little paranoid, innit?

Maybe they just disagree with you. Sometimes it's that simple.

 

:roll:Yea, maybe. Or they know **** about boxing.:good

Outworking isn't hitting oxygen and glove. That **** was a ****ing joke. He didn't land one significant clean punch.

 

They're all credible writers who have been on the right side of history far more often than not. There aren't a lot of boxing writers who don't know **** about boxing, sorry to say, lol.

The judges all agree. All the major writers agree. I mean, aside from this board, every website I'm checking with professional writers so far all agree that Devon Alexander won, and more tellingly, they're all in the same general range of scores.

They're all on the take or don't know anything about boxing? All of them? No doubt in your mind about that?

 

You're probably more correct with your earliest assessment, that based on people's scoring criteria they're going to appreciate one type of effort or another, leading to wildly divergent views in instances like this where there's such a polarization from the styles clash round after round.

That said, it is my opinion that the judges, media, and ESB posters who scored it for Alexander have the faulty criteria. :yep

Scoring on workrate is fine as long as there's contact.

 

Absolutely. I think as long as you're consistent in your scoring, you can intelligently justify either fighter winning. I don't think there's a "wrong" result in this one. I just don't like it when just because people disagree that they're called stupid, bribed, or racist. It's just a poor way to look at things and I wish we had more respect for each other than that. Intelligent people can disagree on things that are subjective. This fight is one of them.

 

True, but such thing are to be expected. People tend to react with strong emotion when you see a hard worker seem to earn something through their effort and be denied.

We saw the same backlash after the co-feature as well, except in that case the hard-working sympathetic hero Johnson didn't quite deserve the win (a draw or Cloud by a point was the right range of scores there).

 

:-(