How Joe Louis Would Have Beaten Muhammad Ali!

Tough fight for both men. Joe louis was the greatest combination power puncher ever and he may have trouble with Ali's speed and movement but Ali would have trouble with Joe's hook and his 2-fisted follow-up something that he finished Walcott and Conn with. I know Conn and Walcott troubled Joe but Cooper,Banks and Frazier hurt and fllored Ali...none of them could assault a man like Louis

 

Dead right ! Ali matured some more after the first Liston fight,mentally and physically. Look at the difference in his physique in the two Liston bouts.

 

Ali really struggled with the left jabs of Liston and Foreman I guess? It's a well written article but its conclusions are wrong. Joe Louis would not knock out a prime Ali, the guy is too tough and has too much heart for that.

Louis was knocked out by the lead right of Schmelling (who has the best lead right of as heavyweight in history?) and by fighters with good footwork... Ali would circle, jab, jab some more. At some stage he may be timed and hurt but he would survive like he did whenever he was hurt in his career.

As for the Norton comparison I dont really see any styllistic comparisons between Norton and Louis, who used that cross armed style and exceedingly long reach to cause Ali problems. Frazier ( the only other man who really troubled Ali near his prime ) pressured relantlessly, making Ali fight his pace, a Louis fight would be fought at a much slower speed at Ali's preffered tempo. Ali takes this fight 8 times out of 10 IMO

 

perfectly summed up.

 

The thing that people forget is that Louis was the greatest finisher. Once Joe smelled blood it was over....Louis, Dempsey and Marciano were Sharks that once you drew blood it was pretty much over for the other guy

 

or he'd be overly muscled and stiffer and generally not as good. I never get this "modern nutrition" lark, intensively farmed crops have less nutritional content than organically grown/naturally farmed crops. Don't believe me? Get some vegetables from some guy with an allotment and compare the flavour to what you buy in the supermarket. I trained as a chef and I remember being lectured on the subject. I don't have literature to quote to you any more but try and take my word for it. Genetic modification, cross breeding, insecticides all these factors among others have lowered the nutritional content of vegetables since intensive modern farming came into being.

Anyway, rambling there. Point is if you took any modern fighter around the same size as Joe Louis with all their supposed modern benefits, put them in a time machine and matched them, Louis woulod beat the crap out of them and the same could be argued for many of the giants as well.

 

This assessment is dead on how I envisage it.

 

What by somebody paying/forcing Liston to take a dive.You idiot.

 

All I'll say is that Louis would inflict more damage on Ali than had ever been inflicted on Ali before.

 

Long ago, an expert (I can't recall the name now) used to answer general questions on boxing in a magazine (I think it was The Ring, but I am not sure).

Anyway, somebody asked the question "could Ali beat Louis".

The answer was (which surprisingly I recall distinctly after all these years), "Billy Conn almost did, but I doubt Ali would have".

Now that is what I call logic which makes no sense. Anyway, I guess for some people anything goes to get Muhammad beaten - even though it is only on paper.

Don't get me wrong. I fully appreciate the great Joe Louis. I think he is next to Ali on the ATGHW list, all things considered. But unfortunately for Joe, h2h it is a bad stylistic matchup.

 

No

 

I think Frazier's got a good combo of speed, power, and technique. Obviously he lacks the speed of those three that you mentioned. Enough to know he doesn't just got blown over by guys with a little more speed.

Honestly, while Louis used good foot-speed in his fights against Baer and Carnera when he had to he was still generally ploddy. And there was a certain move, set, punch execution to his nature. While Louis was fast, I never knew him as being fast to get off his shots in the way a Mike Tyson or Jack Dempsey was... maybe I'm wrong. I just envision Louis doing a lot of following and trying to cut off the ring only to realize how difficult it is to trap Ali. Then when he gets planted ready to destroy Ali will have already moved on. Louis is steady, fast, but doesn't move in or launch forward fast. He's a composite puncher, but he's not explosive.

I doubt his chances here. I feel Ali would take Louis 8/10 at the least. Not a good matchup for Louis in my view...

 

How about this: Ali would have knocked Louis out.

And I love Louis (it even says so on my profile) and dislike Ali.

 

The chances Ali has of stopping Louis are just as great as Louis beating Ali. In my opinion. So that's not crazy for me... but wait for the others to react.