When thinking about an all-time ranking for Oscar De La Hoya...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Aug 10, 2010.


  1. horst

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    I thought Oscar was going to be a real world-beater when I watched him rise through 130, 135 and 140, but his performances disappointed a bit once he got to 147 and 154. I can't decide if he was a truly great fighter at the lower weights then lost his way, or whether he was never a truly great fighter but fought weaker opposition at 140 and below.
     
  2. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:touché, buddy!:good
     
  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd go with the latter, personally. Excellent fighter at his best, but he far from stacks up to the best I've ever seen.
     
  4. horst

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    How do you think he would fare vs Chavez at 135, Tszyu at 140, Nelson at 130?
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd favor both Chavez and Nelson at 130-135, and likely by KO. I'd probably favor Oscar over Tszyu at 140, though. Bigger fighter, better footwork, more varied offensive arsenal. Perhaps his left hook would play the counter to Tszyu's right hand. Then again, Oscar's squared up stance could lead him to eat a few more of them than he needs to. All things considered I'd favor the Golden Boy.
     
  6. horst

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    Agreed on all counts.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    So you will change your ranking of Barrera and Morales every time you rewatch their second fight then. By your own admission, you've scored it differently multiple times. Sometimes decisions are measured by the inch.
     
  8. horst

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    I am quite literally unable to think of a win as a win if I did not score it as a win. There's nothing else I can say on the subject, I cannot consider something a win... if I do not believe it was a win. That so many people on here are capable of doing so is very strange to me. How can you argue with any conviction when the thing you are promoting is not something that you even believe? (I'm not addressing this directly to you, merely using the second-person here). Different strokes I suppose.
     
  9. horst

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    PS: I did once have the same policy as you, but I have since changed my mind on the issue completely and irrevocably. It was like a religious conversion I tell you!
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Well some fights I have a different scorecard every time I score it, I don't see the use in changing my rankings accordingly every time. If a fight is that debatable that even I can't settle a winner definitively either way, then I'd much rather go with the judges on the night.
     
  11. horst

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    If a fight is that debatable that even I can't settle a winner definitively either way, then I'd much rather consider it a fight with no definitive winner than arbitrarily award one guy credit because two or three fat middle-aged suits did so.
     
  12. Addie

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    What was your scorecard for Roberto Duran vs. Sugar Ray Leonard I?
     
  13. horst

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    I had Duran by 3 or 4 if I remember rightly.
     
  14. Addie

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    I had it by 2. If I scored one round differently...I'd have had a draw.
     
  15. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you score fights one way or the other whenever you watch them wouldn't it be logical to just call them even? It's not like your opinion of either fighter would change drastically regardless of how you scored it.