Shaw says Bute, not Cloud next for Dawson. Good or Bad?

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  1. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They already said they will fight him at 168lbs no problem!
     
  2. Xplosive

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    Yeah, makes more sense to fight a potentially weight drained Chad, than to go up to a weight where BOTH can be comfortable.
     
  3. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was actually for health reasons that day-of-the-fight weigh-ins were abolished. Because when those were in place, fighters would still dehydrate themselves but then they would go into the ring that same day without properly dehydrating, which was even more dangerous.
     
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    I don't think Dawson will get past Pascal so I doubt either fight will be made.
     
  5. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dawson wouldn't been drained at all he was weighting 182 lbs for the 7 days pre-fight weight-in 3 days ago and Bute normally walk around 188lbs.

    Dawson team already said that he can make 168lbs easely!

    Maybe you know Dawson more then is own clan? :think
     
  6. Caelum

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    Except fighters still take full advantage of it and many don't properly rehydrate and it causes problems. As well as some that are able to take full advantage and show up much bigger than their opponent which makes it dangerous in some cases.

    I would still say keep it that way, same day weigh-ins, then what it is now. If they want to play with their health like that, f***em.

    When you have more time to rehydrate you also get fighters that come in 10-20 pounds more than the weight-limit. So how is that fair?


    They could always make new rules.

    Same day weigh-in. Weight has to be made within hours of the fight.
    What idiot would try to dehydrate and try to rehydrate himself at this point?
    And if he does, well, f***em for being stupid.

    Take WW: Above 140 to 147 max. That's the range you are allowed to be. If you can't make weight hours before the fight in that range, then F*** you; you get suspended and a heavy fine if the fight doesn't come off. But even it does, you still get a strike against you just in case you do it again.
     
  7. Lampley

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    Same-day weigh-ins are proven to be extremely dangerous. I think the solution is to do a binding weigh-in three days before the fight, so for example you'd have to hit 175 three days prior to fighting at 168.

    That would cut out the nonsense of guys boiling down in one day, only to rehydrate like 15% of their body weight overnight.
     
  8. Caelum

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    It's never good to try to get a fighter to come down. Fighters say a lot of things.

    What is Dawson's actual fight-time weight?

    What is Butes?

    If they are actually close in weight by fight-time, it's better to just make the fight at LH because it is less weight to take off for the scales as well as less stress on the mind of the fighter and trainer in thinking about making weight instead of focusing on the opponent.

    When you have to make weight for the scales you are draining your body and then hoping to rehydrate properly. Some go to extremes to do this.

    It's better to take as little weight as possible off for the scales to make sure you are more likely to be 100%.
     
  9. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    It's a dream fight that I and many people will enjoy for it to be brought into reality. It's one of the biggest matches that could be made so I say go and get it done ASAP. I'm a fan of both so I can just sit back and watch it with no stress. (Unless a guy gets ko'd....)
     
  10. Caelum

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    Maybe that would work. I don't know.

    Even how I just did it?

    example:
    Pac fights at WW right now.
    How much is he in training?
    How much does he weight on fight-night?

    He is about 147 on fight-night in a division that is max-limit, 147. He is fighting in his real division. And he feels great.
    Again, the division is anything above 140 to 147. That's room enough.

    Fighters need to do more of that.

    Even SRR, when he was fighting at MW, there wasn't any need to drain himself. He could weigh on the scale at say, 158, and show up at 158 for his fights for a 160 max limit.

    Tell them all to do it.

    Again, make them weigh-in just hours before. No sane person would try to dehydrate their body for the scales at that point and then try to think they could rehydrate in a couple of hours. And if anybody thinks they can, they'll serve as a lesson on what not to do.

    It's not perfect today, remember that. Fighters still have trouble making weight for the scales. Fighters still have problems re-hydrating. Fighters still have to go up against some opponents that could weight 10+ pounds more than them by fight-time because of what is allowed.

    There maybe be wholes in it but there are wholes in the current system as well.
     
  11. Lampley

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    The reason the rule was instituted was because everyone was dehydrating, and there were several ring deaths blamed on the absence of water in the brain due to rehydration. I don't like all the weight games, either, but avoidance of tragedy should be the top priority.
     
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    this fight would be ****in sweet
     
  13. WatchfortheHook

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    Would love to see Dawson vs Bute before Dawson vs. Cloud. If Dawson fought Cloud now, I can't imagine how bad that would be. Cloud needs some more quality experience.
     
  14. SweetHome_Bama

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    If Dawson fought Bute it would be safe to say that he ducked Cloud. There is no reason for him to fight an out of the top 3 168 fighter when he has Cloud knocking at the door.
     
  15. Little Pea

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    I'ld rather see Dawson unify first.