Bute - Dawson - Pascal and their future fights...

What's the deal with the rematch clause? I know Michel says they have one, but what's the deal?

If HBO says they aren't interested in airing that fight, I can see a rematch not happening. I'm sure Dawson will enforce it if he loses.

 

The walk around weight of chad dawson is 179 lbs so he can easily go down to 168 lbs ... I dont see any problem. the walk around weight of Bute is about 183 lbs. so its a bit ironic

 

Bute could've agreed to go to UK, oh wait.....NOOOOO fighting outside the Bell Centre.....can't do that, he has to hide in Quebec and fight B- and C level opponents and milk his title. Bute's a pretender.

 

Why the hell does it need to be at a catchweight? Dawson is not even that big of a LHW and is not a big puncher. Meanwhile, Bute is a pretty big SMW. If they do fight, it should be at 168 or 175. A catchweight seems pointless.

 

True, it just gives Bute a way to duck out of it.

 

I'd rather see Bute and Ward fight and Dawson-Cloud. I think because Bute physically is not as disadvantaged as he would be against Dawson this would make for a more interesting fight. The bute-Dawson fight would be pretty sweet thought, don't get me wrong. And the Lefty-Lefty thing does add an element of craziness that I can't fully predict.

 

Here's an article on TSN.ca about Pascal and Dawson and Gary Shaw's plans to match him against Bute.

The highlights are that Gary Shaw openly tell TSN he's going for both fighters and looking to capitalize on the tremendous home town support both of these guys have from Montreal Fans. Russ Anber also kinda intimates that if its a good fight there is probably going to be a rematch....so Dawson could be spending plenty of time in Montreal over the coming years.

Enjoy the read:

MONTREAL -- Jean Pascal can accomplish something special if he beats (Bad) Chad Dawson.
The Montreal fighter is considered the underdog by the bookmakers going into their 12-round title bout on Saturday night at the Bell Centre, even though Pascal holds the World Boxing Council light heavyweight title and Dawson is the challenger.
That's because Dawson (29-0, 17 knockouts) is not your average opponent.
The New Haven, Conn., native is considered one of best boxers in all weight classes in the world. The Ring magazine ranks the southpaw sixth on it's list of the top-10 fighters, pound for pound, on the planet, and puts him first, just ahead of Pascal, among light heavyweights.
In Britain, the BBC recently published its own pound-for-pound list with Dawson seventh.
"That's a guy I respect a lot," said Pascal (25-1, 16 KOs). "I'm stepping up in the level of my opponent, but it's time for me to step up and I'm ready.
"When I beat Chad Dawson, I'm going to enter that list."
It is being called one the best fights ever held in Canada -- a match of the world's top two light heavyweights, both in the prime of their careers. Dawson is 28, while Pascal is 27.
The HBO specialty channel, which televises Dawson's bouts, will be broadcasting the battle for what is called the linear championship --which dates back to before the alphabet of sanctioning bodies cluttered the boxing scene to when there was only one champ in each weight class.
When big Canadian bouts are mentioned, it starts with the two victories by Muhammed Ali over George Chuvalo -- the first in 1966 in Toronto and the second in 1972 in Vancouver.
There was also the Brawl in Montreal in 1980 between Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran, or a pair of light heavyweight fights in late 1950s between Yvon Durrell of Baie Ste-Anne, N.B., and ring legend Archie Moore, who won both.
Russ Anber, the trainer and broadcaster who will work in Pascal's corner as his cutman, said the bout has a chance to make Canadian fight history.
"Ali remains the greatest opponent who has ever fought a Canadian and I don't think this fight is going to change that," said Anber. "But we're talking about a local kid who fought here as an amateur, learned his trade here, represented Canada and went to the Olympics, and now he's fighting Chad Dawson who is considered one of the best fighters in the world.
"It's a historic moment for sure. And if Jean wins, it will be the greatest win by a Canadian on Canadian soil. I can't think of anybody else."
Dawson's ambition is to clear out both Montreal reigning world champions -- Pascal and IBF super-middleweight champ Lucian Bute.
His promoter Gary Shaw said the fight can be arranged because Bute could move up to a compromise weigh of 172 pounds and face Dawson without putting his 168-pound title on the line.
"My feeling is I can make Chad a hometown favourite in Montreal," said Shaw. "Canada is a great fight country.
"They really come out and support their fighters, moreso than in the U.S. So we knock off Pascal and then we come back and knock off Bute. I owe Canada a favour. When the U.S. played hockey, we blew it and you went home with the gold (at the Vancouver Olympics). On Saturday night, Chad will go home with the first part of the gold. Then we strip you of your darling (Bute) and Chad becomes the next Canadian darling."
It may not be so simple.
Pascal was coming off his only defeat -- a close decision in Carl Froch's hometown of Nottingham, England -- when he moved up one class and won the light heavyweight belt with a 12 round decision over fellow Montreal resident Adrian Diaconu. He has defended it twice, against Silvio Branco and in a rematch with Diaconu.
In the second Diaconu bout, Pascal fought most of the second half after dislocating his right shoulder and having it popped back into place in the corner by Anber.
Pascal said the injury is forgotten and he feels in top shape after a long camp with his extensive training team.
The six-foot-one Dawson has a two-inch height advantage, and has had more exposure to high-profile fights, but it remains to be seen how he'll do against a fighter with Pascal's speed and skill.
Dawson's last two fights -- two wins by decision each against Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson -- were against opponents in their 40s.
"I don't worry about that," said Dawson. "Tarver is a classic guy who has been around.
"Those are not guys you knock out. Those guys go 12 hard rounds. They say they're going to expose my weaknesses. My weakness was being knocked down and getting up and winning a fight (against Tomas Adamek). Is that a weakness? They can't put me down -- I guarantee that. If anyone's going to go down it will be Pascal. Trust me."
Dawson has been criticized for being overly cautious, of not going for the knockout when he has the lead late in fights, but Pascal's aggressive style should balance that out.
"He said Jean Pascal has never fought anyone as good as Chad and he's 100 per cent right about that, but I'll tell you this -- Chad Dawson's never fought someone like Jean Pascal either," said Anber.
"When you've got the two best guys in the world facing off against each other, how could it not be a great fight? How can it not be a marquee moment in Canadian boxing history? And, whatever happens Saturday night, these two are fighting again."

 

Dawson might get knocked out by Pascal, that's possible.

Bute should be fighting in the tournament.

 

Every fighter in the S6, except Kessler, made his bones fighting Pavlik's left overs, or fighters who were not as good as Pavlik's left overs. They did not suddenly become better just because they got invited to Sauerland's tournament.

The claim that the S6 represensts "the best fighting the best" is an outright lie. According to Ken Hershman, president of Showtime Sports, Bute and Pavlik were not invited because including them would have cost to much. Showtime/Sauerland brought in the cheapest, not the best.

 

You seem to be very frustrated. Let me guess: your favourite fighter is Froch, who has lost once and could easily have lost twice? Or maybe Kessler?

I pity you.

 

Why don't you give it a rest? Both Bute and Froch wanted the fight. The PROMOTERS, not the fighters, were posturing as to where to make the fight, how much each fighter would make and other negociation BS. Then Froch had the S6 offer and went for it. The fight did not happened, no one is to blame and we could even say it turned out best for both guys. Had they agreed to fight, they might have both missed the boat.

 

Of course the rematch has to make sense. If Pascal gets koed in 2, there won't be any rematch. If any fighter wins a very close decision, then there is some sense in having one.

 

Because, if Dawson wins, it makes no sense for him to come down to fight Bute. As for Bute, he still can make 168 easily and is awaiting the S6 guys, especially the winner. But even if he's a big SM, if he goes to 175, he's not just gonna put some fat, he'll move for good and put on some muscles. It then makes no sense to move at 175 now if he plans on going back down at 168 for the S6 guys.

A catchweight would be a good compromise for both guys, IMHO.

 

I don't get this line of thinking. Bute already has to cut weight to get down to 168. He probably walks around at about 190 lbs. Why not just cut less weight to get to 175 lbs.?