Angulo Fires Back on Turning Down $750K For Martinez

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  1. di tullio

    di tullio Guest

    I believe it was discussed for a catchweight around 155 or 156.
     
  2. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    All the details from the big turd:

    Negotiations for a Sergio Martinez-Paul Williams rematch for Martinez's middleweight championship are moving along again, according to Martinez's promoter Lou DiBella. However, instead of taking place Oct. 2, as HBO originally intended, it will move back to November if it gets done.

    "It's moving in the right direction," DiBella said of the negotiations.

    What's interesting are the reasons why the talks re-ignited this week. One reason was because discussion of Williams challenging junior middleweight titlist Sergei Dzinziruk didn't get very far because of a wide gap in the money available for Dzinziruk, who has a monster minimum from co-promoters Gary Shaw and Artie Pelullo if he headlines on HBO's "World Championship Boxing," a price of $750,000, I am told. So forget that.

    The other reason talks are progressing again for Martinez-Williams II, a rematch of last year's epic fight that Williams eked out, is because after HBO approved Martinez to face Alfredo "Perro" Angulo (when it looked like Martinez-Williams II was dead), and DiBella offered Shaw, Angulo's promoter, a package of about $1 million, Angulo turned down the fight.

    Hey, it would have been a tremendous birthday present for Angulo had he taken it; he turned 28 on Wednesday.

    Shaw, who has done a tremendous job with Angulo, said he offered him $750,000 of the package and was stunned that he rejected it, especially considering he'd never made more than the $350,000 he earned in his loss to Kermit Cintron in May 2009. After that loss, Shaw brought Angulo back, getting him an easy win on ESPN2 followed by three more wins in a row on HBO against the right opponents.

    "'Perro' had everything to gain and nothing to lose," Shaw said. "I don't get it. How many fighters are making $750,000 with a shot at the middleweight championship? That's good money and a big fight."

    Shaw, who said Angulo wanted $1 million for himself, had also gotten Angulo other considerations that make his decision to turn down the fight look foolish. Shaw said he got Angulo a guaranteed HBO comeback fight if he lost and a promise from the WBC that he wouldn't be dropped from his No. 1 position in the junior middleweight ratings since the Martinez fight, which would have been at a catch weight of about 157 pounds, was going to be over the 154-pound limit.

    "It was a winnable fight for Perro," Shaw said. "He could have wound up as middleweight champion and all the stars were lined up for a special opportunity. But he wanted $1 million and that isn't there. Then they came back and said they'd take $900,000, but that is not there. His manager, Mike Criscio, was as disappointed as I was that he didn't take the fight.

    "Hopefully, the opportunity will re-present itself. Perro wanting a million probably helps HBO and DiBella make progress on the Martinez-Williams fight."

    Shaw said Angulo's rejection of the fight probably means he won't fight again for the rest of the year because the remaining HBO dates do not include him.

    It also means that "Perro" -- the "Dog" -- needs to loosen that studded dog collar he comes into the ring wearing. I think it's cutting off the oxygen he needs to think straight.

    I know I am not alone in my thought that Angulo (19-1, 16 KOs) made the wrong call to turn down the fight. He's earned himself honors at the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business and the ire of my followers on my new Twitter account, who virtually all agree with me.
     
  3. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    "A little more" -- 250 thousand dollars? Does Angulo really think his name is worth a million?
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Angulo isn't really a worthy MW challenger. I'd put this fight along similar lines as Cotto vs Chavez Jr
     
  5. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    I like Angulo, and love watching his fights, but i have to agree with this.
     
  6. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow well if its true then it just goes to show that our sport is going to fall apart eventually. Fighters are just becoming such prima donnas. Angulo only has 20 fights and he is turning down 750K!? Thats more than most MMA fighters make. WE need someone to take over boxing ala Dana White. I hate the ***** because he robs his fighters but they also dont have an option on who to face which makes for the fights the fans want.
     
  7. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    that's actually more than any mma fighter has made.......them dudes only make like 50k a fight....they depend on their sponsors for money
     
  8. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Angulo should have taken the fight. He was making a career high payday and a shot at the middleweight title. Even if he would have lost I don't think it would have hurt his career because he's an entertaining fighter. But hopefully this gives Williams-Martinez a better shot at happening, which is the best fight in the154-160 pound range.
     
  9. RAW

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    smells like bull**** to me. angulo knows he would lose that's why he turned down his biggest pay day & a shot @ the lineal title.
     
  10. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    I dont know how anybody can say he is looking really bad, considering he is doing what most fighters tend to do, which is to maximize dollars when it comes to fights.
    Okay so you do have some fighters in it for titles and legacy but there are others who came into this sport for the money, Angulo is simply trying to get the money he feels he deserves in taking on Martinez who is obviously on top of his game right now.
    give him an even Million and make the fight happen.
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Thats stupid. Angulo never got over 750k in his career. His promoter and manager even said that what Angulo is doing is bad business in which they feel 750k is a fair offer. Angulo needs to stop hanging out with Bradley.
     
  12. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    dissappointed with angulo. seems like El Perro has his tail inbetween his legs. he wants more because he knows he's not ready. it would be alot better if he just admitted he can't beat Martinez at the moment. I think since he got the same amount for Cintron he figures Martinez is the better, bigger fight and it really is and maybe that is why he might be asking for more. that would make sense to me.
     
  13. Ding

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    :deal
     
  14. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Angulo knows he's not ready for Martinez and so do we.

    This is a smart business move by him. Another loss(even to Martinez) can be detrimental to his career at this point. Destroying 2/3 Alcine-type fighters for the next year or so should get him close to the $1mil per fight level.

    Agree however that airing your money demands to the press only makes you look greedy and does not win you any fans. Why don't managers coach more fighters on what to say to the press.?
     
  15. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    It's not a smart business move. When a fighter has a chance to face the legit number 1 champion in the world with the biggest pay day but turn it down, that's a very bad business move pure and simple. Shaw and Angulo's manager even said 750k was a fair offer and was disappointed in Angulo for turning it down. Hbo i believe is also upset with Angulo.