Whitaker beat DelaHoya worse than Mayweather

I'm guessing I'll be in the minority that agrees with you round15 - though I didn't just have Whitaker beating DLH worse than Mayweather, I had Whitaker beating DLH and Mayweather losing to DLH.

Whitaker received a 10-8 round against DLH in round 9 and he STLL lost by 5 or 6 points on the judges' cards. I had Whitaker edging that fight by a point in a bout with many close rounds that could be scored either way depending on one's interpretation. I liked Pea's ring generalship and defense and felt he was landing the cleaner, albeit not harder punches. Others might see DLH landing the better shots and being effective in his aggression.

I had DLH beating Mayweather by a point. Again, I thought it was a fight that could have gone either way, but I felt DLH was doing well blocking most of Mayweather's potshotting, and though his own punches were somewhat ineffective, they were often landing cleaner than Mayweather's blows were, which were being partially deflected most of the time. Thought compubox figures were way off for the DLH-Mayweather fight, and felt the guys doing it couldn't distinguish a blocked from a landed punch. (Same thing with the Pavlik-Taylor fight. Pavlik did NOT land 100 more punches than Taylor.)

At the end of the day, to me at least, the Pea-DLH and Mayweather-DLH fights showed me a difference in class between Whitaker and Mayweather, as did the Pea-Chavez fight and the PBF-Castillo fights.

Yes, I had a past prime Pea beating a Prime DLH, and I had a past prime DLH beating a prime Mayweather. And yes I had Whitaker beating Chavez, and had PBF 1-1 with Chavez's sparring partner.

Won't find many that agree with that, but that's how I see it.

As to Oscar's legacy, well it tells me that a prime DLH would beat Mayweather, and clearly (though he'd never dominate him).

 

Both fights were close, in my opinion, and it came down to what the judge was looking for at the time. There's definately an argument to be made that DLH beat Mayweather and lost to Whitaker, vice versa, and just about every combination possible.

The Whitaker-DLH fight was a nightmare all-round in scoring, while the PBF/DLH fight was an example of how Compubox numbers, besides behing HIGHLY inaccurate alot of the time, are very misleading as to who won the fight.

There are people, and I think a lot of judges fit this mold, that see a round where one guy landed 11% of punches and the other landed 12% of his punchers, and automatically think the guy with 12% won the round.

 

DLH definitly should have lost both fights, but Mayweather beat him more convinsingly.

 

whitaker did better than mayweather and defo deserved the w but second time round mayweather will do a lot better you cant have rematches wit pbf

 

errr... no he didn't.

Glad you like Sweat Pea's style, though, because I find it atrotiously boring and non-combative.

 

I re-watched the Whitaker-Oscar fight today for the first time in a long time, and I had the same scoreline as you SS, 114-113 Whitaker, though I could easily see how someone could score it 114-114 because I gave Pea round 6 but it was quite an even one.

(I came to be on this thread because I searched for 'Whitaker' on the Classic, wanted to read Classic opinions on Pea-Oscar)

I really like your post though, I would need to re-watch De La Hoya-Mayweather again to get an exact score but I clearly remember thinking the fight had been razor-thin only to go online and be utterly astounded by all the "Floyd schooled Oscar" comments and crazy wide scorecards.

The way the judges perceive a fight is often the determining factor for how people remember it. Countless people on here think that Hopkins clearly beat Winky, and countless people think Calzaghe clearly beat Hopkins, but I can see how someone would have scored Hopkins-Winky a draw, and I thought Hopkins edged Calzaghe by a point, but because of the nature of the official verdicts, most people would think I was a lunatic for thinking this.

 

We don't need these fights to see that Whitaker is a class above Floyd.

 

I think Floyd beat Hoya. But a prime hoya would have clearly beaten Floyd by a wide UD imo. That old ass De La Hoya made the fight really close. Actually, if he didn't gas out later on he would have won.

 

DLH didn't land too much on Floyd I didn't think that fight was close at all. Then again while scoring I was thinking to myself, "Did he land or didn't he?" so that fight is not very easy to score. I haven't seen DLH-Whitaker in awhile I'll rewatch it next month or so.

 

I agree.

Whitaker was not given credit for the knockdown.

 

Whitaker/DLH is a much more tricky fight to score also IMO. Both guys are operating at a much great skill level, too.

 

We're on the same page here Pop. Fights like Hopkins-Wright, Mayweather-DLH and Calzaghe-Hopkins are not the clear cut decisions they are often portrayed as.

 

I thought Hopkins whooped Slappy personally.

 

How badly?