Anyone interested in a Classic Boxing Debate League?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Aug 12, 2010.


  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    This is just a thread to gauge interest....

    My good friend, the late great Tomato Can from Boxing Addicts, had a pretty cool league at his site that was fun and seemed to work well.

    I forget the exact rules, but I was thinking something like this....

    1. You issue a challenge (like let's say, Who wins prime-for-prime, George Foreman or Larry Holmes?) and you pick a side. For argument's sake, let's say I started this thread and I pick Holmes. If McGrain had the audacity to think he could out-debate me on this front, he could accept my challenge and the debate begins.

    2. McGrain would start the debate. The debate would be broken into three parts:
    I. Introduction
    II. Rebuttal
    III. Closing Statement

    Posts should be no longer than 500 words. So after McGrain starts with his opening, I would then post my opening statement, he would give his rebuttal, I would give my rebuttal, than each of us would give our closing statements......this should be alternating, and I imagine there should be something like a seven day limit between posts or something before a debate results in forfeit.

    3. We find three judges who are not involved in the debate to score it on merit "round-by-round".

    So in this example, I would have schooled McGrain by a score of 30-27 or something like that.

    :D

    Would anyone be interested in something like this?

    If so, sign on and add your name. If we can get 10 or so interested people, we can make something work.

    I would have time to participate now and then and I can fill in more details as time goes, so feel free to ask any questions.

    Let me know.

    :smoke

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  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:Why not? Sign me up.
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Okay, you're signed up!
    :good

    I think this can be fun and I have a pretty good way of organizing it I think. I will need people out there willing to help, who can judge debates they're not involved in, etc.

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  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I actually recently thought of something like this.

    My question would be how do we know if judges aren't voting just for the fighter they think would win the matchup, rather than hearing the arguments and determining who makes the better argument. And at that point it almost just becomes a debating league where the most skilled debaters will win.

    Don't put me down as anything, but I might open to try this.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I've thought about this and we've experienced this, too.

    I think judging should be based on the following criteria:

    1. Strength of the Argument
    2. Plausibility of the Argument (personal opinion plays a part here, for sure)
    3. Factual Accuracy & Command of Knowledge on the Topic (or something like this)

    Of course, this is all subjective so no system will be perrfect. We have to hope that judges can be impartial to some extent, but personal opinion will undoubtedly play a factor (and probably should).

    Let's take an extreme example.

    Let's say I make a debate challenge: Who wins, 1971 Muhammad Ali versus 1999 Butterbean?

    Common sense should prevail in something like this. If anyone was foolish enough to accept this challenge, they would need to make an incredible argument to persuade people that this could happen.

    In that sense, I think the person accepting this challenge puts himself at inherent disadvantage which is why challenges issued should be on topics that are open for debate.

    I have other ideas as well.

    If we get enough interested people, we can try it out when I return from vacation after the Adamek-Grant fight.

    I have ideas about how to determine a champion and what would be required of a champion.
     
  6. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :happyI'm game.:happy
     
  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I like this :good
     
  8. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    I think its a great idea , we do all love a good war.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Unlike a typical debate though posters will likely go with their fave fighter/poster most of the time
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Not necesarily.

    We could have a system where people are asigned positions by sombody else, that might be totaly alien to them.

    That would be the case in any school debate league.
     
  11. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    :good

    Sign me up.
     
  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    A while back John Thomas and I had a gentleman's debate on Holmes title opponents, and Greg Page's status. It should be in the archives. It was well done. Check it out.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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  14. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ME TOO!! :good
     
  15. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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