Pacquiao vs Margarito catchweight will be at 151lb according to Arum

**well before you were suggesting that I said both fighters HAD to weigh the max weight limit .. but I cleared that up.

right I agree with the green .. anything above 147 and up to 154 is too heavy for Welterweight and counts as Jr Middle

the only problem is Margarito doesn't have any leverage in these contract negotiations and if he really didn't want to fight he wouldn't sign the contract.

but look at the position he's in .. he had his license suspended in the states after the glove fiasco vs Shane Mosley and doesn't really have much bargaining power.

and look at it from his end, Margarito did recently move up to Jr. Middle, gets the chance to fight the #1 regarded Boxer in the world for a vacant belt on PPV and the only real negative is he'll have to come in at 150.

he'd probably consider the catchweight a minor thing to give up, and jump at the chance.

**regarding both men agreeing to it, look at that two week fuss Cotto was making about not wanting to defend his belt @ 145 .... in the end it did get resolved but it makes me wonder

why even go through that on Cotto's side if he already signed the contract.

Wouldn't it make more sense to complain before the contracts are signed?

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why wouldn't fighters be allowed this choice? Last time I checked you can only get fined for coming in overweight, not under.

don't forget Jermain Taylor and Kelly Pavlik fought their rematch @ a contracted catchweight of 166 and I believe both men came in at 164.

no issue was made of both men coming in under the assigned CW (catchweight)

and don't forget vs Miguel Cotto, Pacquiao weighed in @ 144 which was a pound under the contracted 145 CW.

So I don't see why you're asking me a question it seems you already know the answer to. And if you didn't sorry for being rude, but why wouldn't fighters be allowed to come in under the limit?

these are only two examples and regarding catchweights, but im sure its happened plenty of times in other fights.

**** Zab Judah was 145 for his Welterweight title fight vs Cotto, and weighed in even less when he fought Clottey for the Vacant IBF belt.

anyway.

2. No I don't think you can officially regulate it unless it's contracted as to my knowledge if a fighter misses weight, he can get money deducted from his purse .... and the best way to avoid that, is to specifically make it in the contract.

**if a boxer is going for the Welterweight title, he'd know that he cannot weigh in above 147, and if he breaks that, unless he cuts the 3 lbs he'd be fined accordingly

it seems like you wasted a lot of time with those rhetorical questions

Fight contracts I guess can have whatever they want in them .. from the size and color of the gloves to the actual size of the ring ... to even the bout weight

already said but I tend to agree, that with 17 divisions in boxing are catchweights really needed?

**and I know Pacquiao isn't the only one to use CW's in title fights
but why single out Cotto and Margarito with them.

when Pac didn't bother with catchweights for his fights with Joshua Clottey, David Diaz and Ricky Hatton.

it really kind of makes me wonder. Is Pacquiao saving the catchweights for the opponents who are perceived as higher risk/tougher?

 

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If you look back further on his history, answer is no.

When MAB was the man at 126, Pac wasn't given much of a chance to win and he went up to fight him.

When Morales was the man at 130, Pac went up to fight him.

When ODLH asked Pac to come up 12 and meet him at 147, Pac went up to fight him...oh yeah, he was also not given much of a chance.

 

Defend him you *******!!!

 

Actually the answer is yes.

When pac fought morales and barrera he was nowhere near the star and ppv attraction that he is now. Hence when he took them fights he really didn't have that much to lose as he wasn't expected to win.

Now fast forward to 2009-2010 pac was expected to beat cotto at 147 and he is expected to beat margo at 154 yet both these fights he has asked for a catchweight?

Yet he fights clottey and oscar at 147 and fights ricky hatton and david diaz at the proper weight.

It's quite clear that any advantage pac can get he will take it against opponents that just might cause a threat.

*******s say the catchweight won't make a difference, pac would still win at the limit. Then ask yourself why Pac wants them then? It's because he cant risk losing at this point, so wants every advantage possible to him to make sure the win is guaranteed.:deal

 

Can you give me any examples of boxers who won't take any perceived competitive advantage they can get? Or any sportsmen at all really?

Why do you think boxers negotiate over weight, location of fight, gloves, ring size, etc, etc. Because they are hoping to make the fight as fair as possible for their opponent?

 

Good post.

He is favourite to beat Margarito anyway so why not let Margarito come in at 154 while coming in himself at 150, like Mayweather did against De La Hoya?

 

Or, alternatively, why?

Since when do boxers who are favourite to win a fight suddenly decide to let their opponents decide all of the parameters of the fight in order to let them have as much chance as possible?

 

Most boxers seem happy to fight at the weight group limit rather than impose limitations on their opponents, especially when they've already fought at the limit as Pacquiao did against De La Hoya before he asked for a catchweight against Cotto.

If you're not prepared to fight at the weight limit then let boxers that are fight for the paper title.

 

'Most boxers' don't have the option. Boxers negotiate contracts that include perceived advantages to them all the time. Why else would they quibble over ring size or type of gloves used? And the biggest advantage of all, the location of the fight.

When you're outraged about all of those and want sanctioning bodies to regulate all title fights to ensure neutral locations and standard ring size and gloves, come back and you might not seem like you're just trolling.

 

I've got no problem at all with there being catchweights for non title fights, however if you want to fight for title then you should be prepared to let your opponent come in at the limit for that title.

Comparing it to location and ring size is a terrible stance for debate.

 

Expected to beat cotto and hatton? If I recall correctly, both fights were at least 50/50 before it happened.

 

Bookmakers had Pacquiao the favourite over both.

Manny Pacquiao is still the significant favorite in the betting odds for his fight with Miguel Cotto. Manny Pacquiao is at -300 to Miguel Cotto at +250.

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Both of these trainers are considered some of the best in boxing, and the victor will have plenty of bragging rights and respect in their field. The fight odds are stacked against Hatton with Pacquiao listed as a -295 moneyline favorite.

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No it's exactly the same.

Sanctioning bodies should regulate mandatory title fights. Which they do.

If people are entering into a voluntary contract, then it is exactly that, 'voluntary'. We come back to the question of how do you regulate it. No-one has yet answered it. Margarito has the choice of signing the contract or not signing it. This is no different to Andreas Kotelnik having the choice of signing or not signing a contract to fight Devon Alexander, even though the terms meant fighting in Alexander's hometown. The only difference is that location is a much bigger disadvantage in a boxing match than someone who has weighed in at 147 for years coming to the weigh in at 151.

So, explain how you would regulate it. How do you stop fighters from choosing to weigh-in lighter than the maximum weight?

 

Yes, the bookmakers but not by much. To boxing fans, however, both were dangerous fights for Pac and nobody ever though that he would defeat them the way he did. That is what was amazing in those fights.

 

The way you regulate it is for sanctioning bodies to sanction the title fight if it's at the full weight limit, they won't as they don't want to lose the money but it's what they should do.

I've got no problem with boxers choosing to weigh in lighter than the maximum weight for the title they are fighting for, I've said before on here that if Marquez was to fight Khan then he should come in around 136 so not to bloat himself out too much by trying to come in carrying as much weight as possible, however I wouldn't agree if he tried to make Khan come in at 136 because it's more comfortable for him.

Location is a problem too but most fights go where they will make the most money, I think boxers accept that to some extent.