Europe's finest ever vs the USA's finest of the last 35 years

Detroit versus Europe?

 

Kronk Gym versus Europe, all time?

a more reasonable handicap.

 

30 % of of the posters on this site are either ******ed or delusional. Sounds about right.

 

USA I hate to say

 

You failed to try and answer Pryors other bottle
Holyfield another fighter with questions hanging about PEDs use
Dosent bode well for your argument. Enough said Pwned again

 

I said America holds the victory in the WW division.
Calzaghe, Erdei or Michalczewski would beat Conteh but thats another thread, because those guys would also beat Jones Jnr
Hopkins natural MW who started at LHW atsch . Then got beaten by a fighter coming up in weight who hadnt fought at the weight before. Sure Calzaghe got put down, that happens in boxing, but he wasnt hurt and was the one coming forward. Hopkins got put down twice in one fight, Jones got put down, Ward, Dawson 3 times, Dirrell etc You see it happens, but its what you do after that counts and in Calzaghes case he beat every one of them. Facts. Pwned again

 

Yes and Eubank wasnt a small MW who had come up like SRL either

 

I wasn't in Pryor's bottle,but if you think that Hatton would have beaten him or Arguello,you are truly an idiot.Come to think of it,not only cocaine free Randall destroy wee wickie,but Meldrick Taylor sends him back to Manchester in a body bag,too.Holyfield,questions of his his ped use,show the evidence,please."pwned",is that some stupid anglish code?You and your overrated boys just got their asses kicked AGAIN:hi:

 

I dont need to show evidence of Holyfield, the stories of someone buying products using a different name, going to his address that answers the phone in his voice etc has been well documented and mentioned in the Ring mag.
Still skirting around the Peds talk convienently, when your fighters have been proven on many occassions says more than words .
Asses kicked again? It wasnt a fluke that I picked Pascal to beat Dawson based on what they had done etc. Showing how I have examined all these fighters at length to draw definative answers and give a truthful account of how these fights would most likely have gone
I have given you complete educated unbiased facts. Credited America with a WW victory but shown that they couldnt compete substance free in the tough European market.
Pwned again as you cant compete. Ottke would have outboxed Jones Jnr for a memorable victory

 

I used to have respect for your posts because I thought that you knew what you were talking about ,but It's clear that you don't,and now I realize what a numbskull you are.I have yet to mention RJJ in any of my contris in this thread,but you're obsession with him is evident.What I wrote is that JC got put down by middle Hopkins in their fight.Against MICHAEL SPINKS,Calzaghe would have been put down and out by one of the hardest punchers in the history of the division if they had ever fought.And as a lyin' Joe nutsucker,you would know that lyin' Cal was suseptable to a good right hand.But somehow that FACT doesn't matter to you.Again,this pwned crap must be some code that you numbskulls use,but you are so wrong,it's laughable.And I love the fact that almost ALL of your countrymen claim that Conteh beats lyin' Joe all the time.And by the way,Light punching Hopkins spent the MAJORITY OF HIS CAREER at middleweight,so his denying that he was a natural middle is another asinine statement.But coming from you,that's not a surprise.

 

Never said Calzaghe wasnt open to a straight right, its been known throughout his career, but nobody ever beat him. Fact

 

Lewis is a Black brit who grew up in Canada

Haye is half Black

Tszyu's mom is half Russian and he was born and raised in Russia yet he doesn't qualify yet the other two do? He's ethnically more Russian than Lewis is English (he's 0% English) and was born, bred and learned to box in Russia, Lewis in Canada. You're not making sense.

Haye at CW lol. Jirov or Adamek at CW, they're better boxers have similar power and great chins.

To be fair though a great deal of European countries don't box at all. If you take several of the Eastern European countries and really only 2 (UK Germany, Italy too i suppose) of the Western ones the populations would be more similar.

Lemeshev beat Michael Spinks and KO'd Marvin Johnson in the Amateurs. You can't say how he'd do as a pro but back in the 70's there was no headgear.

or guys like Shatkov, Ageev, Lagutin, Popenchenko or Papp at MW

The majority of European boxing countries are in the East and while they could compete for the last 20 years truth is they've only been turning pro in the last 10 years. Alot still don't go pro.

 

Good point,but I never said Marvin Johnson.Lemeshev may or may not have beaten Spinks as a pro,but Randy Shields beat Sugar Ray Leonard as an amateur and we all know how that panned out.Do you like those middleweights to beat Marvin Hagler?I've never heard of any of them except Papp.

 

Joe Calzaghe's lightheavy resume consists of beating Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones.The Hopkins-JC fight took place a few years after Hopkins lost 2 decisions to since exposed Jermaine Taylor at middleweight.That means that either Bernard was past it or was overrated in the first place because no ATG middleweight loses twice to Jermaine Taylor.I believe that a bit of both are true.Hopkins resume is all about longevity,not great even match-up victories.As far as Jones is concerned,we've danced this one many times.JC fought a completely shot Jones and he knew it because HE SAID IT ON RECORD AT LEAST TWICE.That's JC's resume at 175.That's it.Michael Spinks,on the other hand is a natural lightheavy with a stellar resume at that weight and never lost at that weight.Spinks would have beaten all 3 probably pretty easy as NONE of those 3 had any great resume at 175.FACT.

 

Hagler was shot and Leonard knew it.That's why Lenny challenged him when he did.Your making that comparison would be like comparing prime Hagler to shot Eubank.Same difference on the other side of the coin.And if Mike Watson ko's Benn,Hagler murders him.