dawson and pavlik - what they have in common.

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  1. raxman

    raxman Member Full Member

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    two of the bigger disappointments in boxing today, pavlik and dawson, have at least one thing in common. terrible trainers. maybe not in the gym neither jack"double your jab" lowe or eddie "he's dead" muhammed seem to know how to corner a fight. i couldnt believe that dawson was continually told to keep jabbing when what he needed to do was let go with the straight left-right hook and the jab-left uppercut. lowe does the same thing with kp. all he seems to ever say is double your jab.
     
  2. dru626

    dru626 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ha ha ha "jack"double your jab" lowe and eddie "he's dead" muhammed" - this is epic !!!
     
  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Eddie told him right things. He told him to keep aggressive and keep active and NOT wait like he usually does, Dawson never applied. He pointed out when Pascal was tired and he was right. Please don't compare that guy to Leow, Leow is comical. "Double the jab", "Triple the jab", "Screw it, fight like Calzaghe".
     
  4. Relentless

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    terrible trainer?

    get the **** outta here, eddie mustafa muhammad is one of the best in the business, he said all the right things and tried his best, dawson just didn't respond.
     
  5. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One thing they have in common is that they couldn't switch up their game when the usual wasn't working. They didn't show the versatility.
     
  6. raxman

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    how can you say that? all the right things? at what point was he going to tell dawson to start attacking. its one thing to say cut off the ring and keep jabbing but that on its own was never going to win that fight. he had to sting pascal coming in. he should've been telling him to throw the left hand and to get off first, not to let pascal dictate the pace of the fight. even when dawson started letting them go in the 10th and 11th it wasnt by instruction. as far as eddiemm - he's only as good as his last fight and in his last fight he stunk!
     
  7. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    itt: eddie mustafa mohammad is a bad trainer

    what the ****
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    dawson and pavlik - what they have in common.

    they're both over 6 foot. that's pretty much the beginning and the end of similarities.
     
  9. raxman

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    let me reiterate - both these trainers may be great in the gym. but cornering a fight requires a totally different skill set. in yesterdays fight Eddie Mustafa Mohammad let his fighter down. come on "he's dead! he's dead"??? Pascal didnt look dead until dawson went after him in the 10th & 11th and that had nothing to do with the instructions he got from his corner.
     
  10. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    Leow sucks BUT Muhammed is a very good trainer, that being said Dawson could've used some Classic Manny Steward outburts in there, I mean there was no sense of urgency until the 11th round, which was way too late, Dawson just didn't do enough through out the entire fight going into the 11th.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    they have held multiple titles and been considering the best in their divisions?
     
  12. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not the guy who said Eddie said all the right things, but I think what the guy was saying was Chad didn't listen. For instance, Eddie would say that Chad needed to jab, double and triple them up to come inside(which I understood he meant as attack..as you were requesting, especially when he said dig to the body when you get inside). What Chad did for the most part of every round was stalk, close some distance, show some upper body movement, posture, and stare...no jabs, no real activity(and of course Pascal would just move out of the way, or explode in with a flurry) it was bizarre. If Chad tried it would it have made a difference? Don't know.

    I don't think it was Eddie's best night. I felt he could have demanded more out of Dawson especially when Dawson had some painfully inactive rounds. And instead of saying give me these next 2 rounds he should have told Chad to press for the KO (although, I'm pretty sure Chad understood he needed to stop Pascal, if Chad won the last 2 rounds he wasn't winning the fight so I don't know why Eddie said that).
     
  13. Machine

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    I agree. Eddie may have good credentials as a trainer but that night his advice was absolutely ****ing appalling. It was right up there with Katsidis corner during the Diaz fight where they were telling to keep doing what he was doing as he was getting his head caved in in every round. A lack of a jab wasn't the issue for Dawson. The more pressing concern was that Dawson needed to land a left hand on Pascal as he rushed him. And he also needed to take the initive, get off first, and set up that left hand, not be the victim all night. What he didn't need to do was follow Pascal around the ring pawing with an ineffective jab, which was essentially what his corner was advising. Eddie kept encouraging Dawson to keep the pressure on him. Following somone around the ring not punching is not pressure, it's setting yourself up to be easily timed and attacked. And where was the urgency? Every round the fight was just slipping further and further away from Dawson yet his corner didn't have the sack to tell him. Instead they told him that Pascal was getting tired (probably from punching the **** outta Dawson). Without a doubt it was a moment that demanded a "You're blowing it son" rev up from a trainer and Eddie was no where to be seen. The fact that Dawson turned it on so effortlessly in the 11th, despite the advice of his trainer, shows how capable Dawson was and that he recognised the gravity of the situation he had found himself in even if Eddie hadn't. Everyone is describing Dawson's performance as listless, gunshy, languid, confused and frustrating to watch yet Eddie did nothing substantial to correct that during the fight.
     
  14. Govanmauler

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    ha ha ha nice :lol:
     
  15. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    For me the comparison is theey won the belt were considered the best in the division after a few defenses the two were both labeled as disapointments pavlik for not securing a unirifaction with sturm or abraham not fighting wright or williams and having weak comp dawson on the other hand fought great comp but didnt dazzle

    they both lost their 0 and the title

    now martinez and pascal have all the hype as the successor

    I think injurys abd illness and just bad luck cut Pav short but we shall see if he suceeds

    Dawsons lack of aggression and passion in the ring as well as the fact he fought a young prime guy got to him after fightin a series of past it guys who couldnt test him he got comfortable on top