Tavoris Cloud isnt a good fighter, isnt elite by any stretch of the imagination

Im surprised the bitchiganwarrior hasnt changed his name with the way hes been pwned time and time again . Here he is now talking about Pascal because he beat Dawson who the bitchigan raved about for months. Remember Pascal lost to Froch just like Dirrell did. Didnt see much of you after someone posted proof of the Ring mag and Boxing News results for Froch vs Dirrell .
Your really sounding a right ***** on the thread boards with how you keep getting it wrong .
Keep up the good work, its fun to have someone to laugh at on here .

 

He may be all the things that you said he was, but write this down right now, he will beat the dog **** out of Jean Pascal. He's stronger, will pressure him into fighting, and will beat the hell out of him on the inside. Talk about "no stamina", Jean Pascal was taking a minute and a half per round to rest and was breathing with his mouth open after the 5th in a slow paced fight. It's all just talk, but make sure you bump this if Pascal ever has the sack to get in with Cloud, he stomps this clown in 8 tops.

 

He still beat one of the best light heavyweights besides Chad Dawson by beating Glen Johnson.Theres not a light-heavyweight in the world right now who would have an easy time with Johnson

 

Only a sloth would talk about how fast he is at 175; when people talk about his speed as an asset, that just tells me they haven't actually seen him fight.

He's not in the same class as Dawson, Shumenov, etc. speedwise, let alone Pascal.

I'd put money on Campillo beating him right now.

 

cant really debate that. All I can say is Glen Johnson has a way of making fighters look bad and/or exposing them. Chad Dawson went through Hell with Glen Johnson and we know what he did to Jones. Tarver had no picnic with him either. So it's kinda hard to use Glen Johnson as a measuring stick. This guy makes you fight his fight.

 

tavoris doesn't have the skillset or the will to ever be a p4p list fighter.... but he is a good fighter, clearly. He's a belt holder

 

Cloud is clearly in love with his power. The guy is very talented but he needs to calm down. All the bravado does nothing for him in the ring. He's clearly a better fighter than Lacy but theres not alot of variation to what he does. Its clear he likes nothing more than a decent scrap which is good for television but highlights his glaring flaws. His head movement and jab are non existent. As soon as he can start putting combinations together off the jab he's going to be a big problem for alot of fighters. But in order to be succesful he must not fall into the punchers mould. As although he can bang id hardly call him a pure puncher with concussive fight changing power.

 

He's a decent fighter with plenty of room for improvement. I don't think anyone considers him elite.

 

I wouldnt call him fast. He throws short furious punches like he's trying too hard rather than letting his hands flow along with his combinations. He's very much the kind of guy who punches stands surveys his work and then takes a picture. B Hop or any solid box puncher stands him on his head.

 

Cloud is a good fighter. He is talented and hits like a ****ing tank. His defense is a bit leaky though.

 

Shame as he has potential. But im not sure he can achieve that if he continues to think every opponent is just a punching bag.

 

There are only two elite fighters out there. PBF and Pac.

Elite should mean: good enough to give a good close fight to the ATGs of that weight-class, prime for prime.

Not sure why people throw the term "elite" around the place like that when they simply mean "very good" or "world class".

 

Thats not what elite means at all. The elite fighters are simply a measurement of the best fighters in the world at ANY weight. Essentially P4P entrants.

 

We're not really disagreeing, because a few of the very best fighters in the world will happen to be elite by my definition too. But it seems we both agree that elite doesn't simply mean "world class" or "very good", as the term is often misused.

 

:thumbsup World class basically means anyone who's won one of the major 4 titles.