B.N.'s top 10 unsuccessful world title challengers.

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  1. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the latest issue of the British weekly "Boxing News", they have a list called: "Always the bridesmaid... quality operators who failed in their attempts at titles".

    To be a candidate for this list, you must have had at least one title shot - so great fighters like Langford, Bivins, Burley etc. are not to be considered.

    Their top 10 looks like this:

    1. Bennie Briscoe
    2. Alvaro "Yaqui" lopez
    3. Rocky Juarez
    4. Herold "Bomber" Graham
    5. Dave Charney
    6. Jerry Quarry
    7. Jesus Pimentel
    8. Earnie Shavers
    9. Zora Folley
    10. Harold Weston

    What strikes me about this list, is the fact that all 10 had their title shots in the last 50 years. Does this mean, that not a single unsuccessful title challenger from before 1960 was good enough to be on this list?

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Juarez above Graham - no f*cking way
     
  3. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think 'the BN ten' is in a specific order.
     
  4. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You may be right.

    Still, I find it strange why someone would make up such a list... and not include some of the great old timers who really deserve a mention (like Charlie White, Lew Tendler, etc.).
     
  5. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Golota should be there, he was robbed against Byrd and Ruiz
     
  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    rudkin's omission surprised me
     
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Off the top of my head I could also add in Jose Medel, Bernardo Carraballo, Kenny Lane Leo Espinosa and Hector Thompson. Another hour and I'll probably come up with 5-10 more. Oops, Clyde Gray and Billy Graham too.

    Scartissue
     
  8. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  10. Manassa

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    Freddie Dawson could be one.
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ken Norton could be a contender. The only heavyweight champion never to have won a heavyweight title fight. Regardless of how people view the results of the third Ali and Holmes fights.
     
  12. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great call. He went tooth and nail with two very good, if not great, champions (Chandler, Pintor).

    Another vote for Alan Rudkin here.

    Also, Ruben Castillo.
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shavers qualifies, but Lyle doesn't? Ron beat Rondon, LeDoux, Bugner, Bonavena, Mathis, Ramos and Peralta, HW and LHW title challengers all. He beat former WBA HW titleholder Ellis. He defeated Middleton 2X, and Garcia. He outpointed clever cuties Caldwell, Stallings and Ward. He was ahead when his challenge of Ali was stopped, and he came off the deck to knock out Shavers himself.

    Earnie beat Norton, Sims, Bugner, Caldwell, an embryonic Young, Ellis, Henry Clark 2X, Tiger Williams and Rondon. Shavers has a good record of wins, but is it really better than Lyle's?

    Until getting stunned by Lynn Ball, Ron was only beaten by prime upper crust opponents. Earnie's upset decision losses to Stallings and Santemore (both with losing records, unlike Ball) are a greater deficit in my estimation. Despite turning professional when he was already 30 years old, Ron was only beaten seven times, getting stopped four of those, three by a prime Ali, Foreman and Cooney. Shavers sustained 14 defeats, getting stopped in half of those events.

    As much as I admire Shavers, I'm not at all convinced he's a more suitable representative for that B.N. list than Lyle. More memorable perhaps, but better?
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ridiculous.
     
  15. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They clearly need to delineate time frames, to force themselves to work harder at compiling lists like this. Putting Herol Graham in without the inclusion of Billy Graham is bizarre, and smacks of jingoism. (As soon as that last name occurred to them, the proper choice should have been self evident.) Why not specify post 1960, instead of simply being lazy about it? (Are they actually getting paid for this negligent selection process?)