Wladimir Klitschko has entered The Ring's P4P@#10

although I'm not a big fan of his, he should have been number 3 a long a time ago, not just entering at number 10.

 

I thought the P4P listings were a mythical list of how a fighter would perform if they were at any weight. Perhaps I am wrong but I have always imagined it to be based on this AND the achievements.

 

The bigger you are the more blood your body needs hence the more oxygen which means you'll have less stamina and won't be as fast when compared to a smaller guy.

P4P based on wins is flawed because different fighters have different skill sets based on weight. Example: Marquez is a counter puncher but if he was a HW and got hit like baby bull hit him but @ HW he couldn't counter because he'd be KTFO because the mass behind the punches would jellify his brains.

You cannot based P4P on wins. P4P is mythical; you look at the figher imagine him smaller/bigger and factor in increase or decrease of attributes to assess who would prevail.

The key is in the name: pound FOR pound = all things being equal.. Someone like manny winning belts at 6 different weights proves he can fight with scaled mass so you can reference his P4P greatness easier than the next person.

Winning all your belts in your division is p4p but only loosely in the sense of your own division because P4P you are the best in that division. But you cannot use that as a bsis for generic P4P rankings across all boxing's weights unless you're willing to - as a human being - be objetive and make a best guessed assumption by assessing scalability.

Wlad is very speedy and technical for a big man so scaled down he is P4P matieral (IMO). If Wlad didn't exist and Haye (sadly) unified the HW division I wouldn't regard him as P4P because he has no technical skill so as his punching power decreased as he scaled down he would be outboxed more often as he became more reliant on boxing skills and failed to KO his opponents.

My 2 cents.

 

P4P has nothing whatsoever to do with weight hopping.

It is purely about taking size out of the equation, who is the best.

It is also utterly subjective and, in the ring's case, grossly biased towards american and golden boy fighters.

 

I agree somewhat with 1) but your statement is counter productive because looking at 2) to take weight hopping out of the equation you must scale theoretically in your mind. You can't simply say a 140 lbs guy is better than a 250 lbs guy. Weight hopping gives *some* indication of how well a person would scale

3) I 100% concur on.

 

He isn't even the best heavyweight. And conveniently he won't fight the other top guy to fin out.

 

Top 10? Wladimir KlitschKO should be in top 3. He has been so dominant.

 

P4P for me has equated to a Boxer's level compared to his weight-class rivals factored against the difficulty of the division itself...kinda like...scoring for Olympic Diving.

What division hopping does is allow a fighter to be measured up against a larger pool of rivals, putting their accomplishments in better focus.

 

Agreed.

 

Paul Williams does not rely on weight. He fights within the same weight as his opponents. Making him a very lanky 6'2.

I get your point though. Clearly, I'm not completely sure on how P4P works. Maybe I was over-thinking things.

 

So did I. I guess Wlad makes it on an achievement. Consider what he is doing versus what Holyfield did in his career and in a weak era. How high did Holyfield ever get? I just don't think he's P4P material. Maybe borderline top 10. Apparently believing something as perfectly logical as that is a sin here, though.

 

One of the few Rıng champs and ıts taken them thıs long to put hım ın. He should be top 5 IMO

 

+ 1

 

I think a heavyweight has a hard time making a P4p case. I think it would require an exceptionally skilled heavy to do it. P4p is about taking size out of the equation...
Wlad is the antithesis of P4p. He has a fighting style that is effective precisely because he is bigger than everyone else.
I can't envision Wlad doing well against a giant Pac-Man.

It's not an insult. Wlad is an excellent heavyweight. It's just the reality of the situation, The bigger you are, the less regarded you are on a p4p basis.