The Adamek hype express is going full steam ahead!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by rainmaker, Aug 22, 2010.


  1. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Everyone bigging up Adamek (and I actually like him) but the only reason why he is getting credit is cos his opponents always outweigh him and are taller than him. Golota, Estrada, Arreola and Grant! WHO THE **** ARE THEY IN THE CONTEXT OF HW BOXING right now!!????

    Adamek has not faced a top tier HW yet. Haye is a BIG step up for Adamek, so too is Sam Peter. He hasn't faced anyone with Haye's speed, power, accuracy up at this weight. Stop smoking weed you folks. The amount of hype that is on show here! daaaamn! Yes Adamek's heart is to be commended, he's fghting big guys, but these are some of the irrelevant fighters at HW and he went life and death with them!! get some perspective.

    I am hearing things like Haye is easy to catch, Adamek will be too elusive! Grant was able to tag him and Grant was slow as ****, telegraphed everything, had no jab and no control of distance!
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Arreola was a consensus top five, that's who.
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    Adamek's win against Arreola is more impressive than anything Haye has done at heavyweight.

    Haye was lucky to get the decision against Valuev. Adamek's closest fight at heavyweight was against Estrada. He hardly went "life and death" with Golota, Arreola, or Grant. That's just bull****, plain and simple.

    Styles make fights.

    Maybe Haye will beat Adamek, maybe he won't.

    Adamek is willing to face Haye, but is Haye willing to face Adamek? That's the big question.

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  3. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Arreola is a top ten guy, which says more about the division than Adamek. But all the same...
     
  4. BoxerGaz

    BoxerGaz East Side Boxing VIP Full Member

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    Haye will beat Adamek if they fight.

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  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Based on what? His brilliant effort against all-time great Nicolai Valuev? Or his destruction of future Hall of Famer John Ruiz?
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  6. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL If Arreola was a top 5 guy then what a load of **** the HW division is. Arreola has beat NO one himself!! give me his best win? And yes he did go life and death with Grant and Arreola, he was hanging on in both fights. Haye crushed Barret, BEAT Valuev, don't give me that crap about Valuev being robbed in that fight.
    yes you proved my point, his closest fight was with Estrada. SO WHO THE **** IS ESTRADA!!!????
    There is no basis to suggest that Adamek beats the likes of Haye, the Klit brothers, even a sam Peter or Solis.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Nobody denies this.

    Wladimir and Vitali are head and shoulders above the rest.

    They are A level fighters.

    After them, there is a huge dip in talent. That second tier includes the likes of Adamek, Haye, and Chambers. Adamek and Haye are both easy pickings for a a Klitschko.

    Adamek-Haye is a toss-up.

    To reiterate what I just wrote in another thread, I doubt Haye even has the balls to face Adamek. We've seen Haye's true colors. He talks a good game, but when push comes to shove, actions speak louder than words.

    Haye's ducking and dodging the Klitschkos in shameless fashion.

    At least Adamek actually wants to fight the best.

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  8. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Haye fights Barret, Valuev and Ruiz and he's fought bums, Adamek fights Golota, Estrada, Arreola and Grant (not looking great either) and he's "willing to fight the best". The way I see there is not much between their resume's.

    Difference is, Haye carries the weight better, his frame can take the extra muscle and is explosive with it. Adamek doesn't carry the weight well, he runs out of puff after 6 rounds, due to the extra muscle he's had to put on and still only fills out at 217.

    If this fight was ever made, Haye gets him out of there. As you said styles makes fights. haye has the better style in this match up. I would Sam Peter a great chance too. He will connect. Adamek is not actually THAT elusive. Being Elusive against plodders like Arreola and Grant does not get you ready for a better calbre of mobile fighter who has better timing and footwork.
     
  9. elTerrible

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    Haye is a complete joke. He said years ago he would be the first to knock out both Klitschko brothers and he ended up being the first to back out of signed fights with them. Little Chris Byrd has more balls than him!


    Adamek's heavyweight resume is superior to Haye's. Look at where Haye's belt came from. Valuev lost it against Chagaev and was gifted it back after Chagaev was injured. Wladimir destroys Chagaev. Then Valuev goes on to loose against an ancient Holyfield and Haye barely scraps by with a 100 punch snoorefest and calls himself a heavyweight champion!

    Adamek's win over arreola is better than anything Haye has done at heavyweight in his entire career.
     
  10. popejking

    popejking Adamek Full Member

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    So then you should agree that knocking out 37,38-yo fighters cant be compared with doing the same to much better boxer in his prime with proven granite cheen, who is very quick too
     
  11. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    The difference is that Adamek fought everyone that he could and Haye has had multiple offers from the Klitschkos and backed out atleast 4 different times. He has been trash talking in the media for the better of 2 years and his latest strategy to prove he is the best is to disappear and wait until both brothers have signed fights then reappear and saying "if you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all":rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  12. PolishPummler

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  13. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both Haye and Adamek get beat by Wlad, doesn't matter what direction either of those trains take, they're heading for a brick wall adventually.
     
  14. Leif Erikson

    Leif Erikson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Arreola is not, has never been and will never be a top 10 heavyweight. He has never beaten a top 20 - possibly top 30 - fighter. Valuev and even a clapped out Ruiz are ahead of him in terms of achievement and worth.

    Maybe it could've been different were he not so lazy but but to become "consensus top ten" having never defeated a top 20 fighter would be pretty sad. A lot of people are willing lackies to the HBO hype machine - that's understandable, a lot of trust is put in TV, that's why Fox News is considered a legitimate network by some, but the truth is very different.

    No disrespect to Adamek, who is clearly a very willing and admirable fighter. I can see why he's such a fan favourite.
     
  15. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But you are missing the point. Adamek is hittable by slow fighters with **** footwork. Grant caught up with him and began to hurt Adamek. Just saying that if a 40+ slow as ****, gun shy fighter liek Grant can do that, a quicker fighter in Haye, or a more relentless pressure fighter with a big punch in Peter would get to Adamek as well.

    Some of you are not being realistic. Adamek has had some good wins at heavyweight, given the fact he came all the way up from LHW. That in itself is an achievement, but the Grant fight showed that Adamek has reached his limit. He's can only go solid for 6 rounds then he is in survival mode, Arreola and Grant fight proved this. It won't take much for Haye to hurt him as he has carried his power up.

    I know this fight hasn't been made yet but I sure hope it does.