***Your top 15 ATG Heavyweights***

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  1. JETSKI

    JETSKI Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not complaining. Its not an ez thing to do making a list like that. But the point I made is valid. Ali was way overrated. Now maybe Cassius Clay in his youth was the best HW ever for a period of time, but looking at his entire career, I'd have to say that he wasn't.

    Frazier hated what Ali did to him, after all the help Joe provided to Ali with $$$ & helping him get his boxing license back. But as soon as their 1st fight was signed, he turned on Frazier & the personal digs he made towards Joe were unthinkable. A black man does not call another black man an "Uncle Tom" or a "Gorilla"...Joe wanted to beat his ass something terrible for those comments.

    How many know that Frazier had only partial vision in his left eye since 1964? So in Manilla, when his right eye closed up, he could barely see. BUT HE STILL WANTED TI FIGHT THAT 15th ROUND!

    Ali wanted to QUIT!
     
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  2. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Ok list.

    BUT - Tunney should not be top 10 for beating rusty, past-prime Dempsey twice.

    Lennox Lewis should be AT LEAST no. 2.

    George Foreman should be between no. 7-5.

    lol you wrote Jack jackson instead of Johnson!
    This is Jack Jackson - http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4627&cat=boxer
     
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  3. RJJ4Life

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    1) Joe Louis
    2) Muhammad Ali
    3) Jack Johnson
    4) Rocky Marciano
    5) George Foreman
    6) Jack Dempsey
    7) Joe Frazier
    8) James Corbett
    9) Mike Tyson
    10) Evander Holyfield
    11) Ezzard Charles
    12) Lennox Lewis
    13) Sonny Liston
    14) Gene Tunney
    15) Jersey Joe Walcott
     
    RJJ4Life, Aug 23, 2010
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  4. TommyV

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    Terrible list, as I said last time out when you posted this in the Classic.

    I don't have mine saved but I've posted it on here. I'll try and dig it up.
     
    TommyV, Aug 23, 2010
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  5. tbp82

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    1 Joe Louis
    2 Muhammad Ali
    3 Jack Dempsey
    4 Jack Jackson
    5 Gene Tunney
    6 Rocky Marciano
    7 Joe Frasier
    8 Lennox Lewis
    9 Larry Holmes
    10 George Foreman
    11 Evander Holyfield
    12 Mike Tyson
    13 Sonny Liston
    14 Ezzard Charles
    15 Riddick Bowe
     
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  6. Tonifranz

    Tonifranz Active Member Full Member

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    1. Louis
    2. Ali
    3. Marciano
    4. Holmes
    5. Dempsey
    6. Lewis
    7. Jeffries
    8. Foreman
    9. Frazier
    10. Tyson
    11. Johnson
    12. Holyfield
    13. Wladimir Klitschko
    13. Liston
    14. Bowe
    15. Charles
     
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  7. Lunny

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    I voted good but would rather have voted neither good nor bad.

    Bowe and Liston shouldn't be above Tyson. Marciano above Louis is pretty hard to defend.


    Dempsey probably too low. I wouldn't put in either Klit yet because I feel that it takes a good few years after the fighter has retired to get a proper perspective on where they stand. Rating current or very recent fighters on ATG lists is just asking for trouble.

    Lewis at number 2 seems to be getting a lot of flack but I think a strong argument could be made for it (not that I'd put him there).
    I brought that up in the Classic forum a while ago. They didn't like it so I'm on the fence with this one.

    Either way Frazier still doesn't get ahead of Ali on the top 10 list!

    Good argument could be made for Norton getting the better of Ali too.
     
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  8. Duty281

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    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Lewis
    4. Holmes
    5. Marciano
    6. Frazier
    7. Dempsey
    8. Holyfield
    9. Foreman
    10. Tyson
    11. Liston
    12. Tunney
    13. Charles
    14. W Klitschko
    15. Walcott
     
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  9. Lunny

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    I like this list.
     
    Lunny, Aug 23, 2010
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  10. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Tyson is 15th cos -

    He never beat an ATG heavy anywhere near their prime - shot, fat 38 year old Holmes And light-heavyweight Spinks don't count for ****.

    Tyson was only a champion for a combined 5 years and only a World Champion for 2 years.

    Fought in one of teh very weakest eras of all time, against shitty druggy-cokehead contenders.

    Gets undeserved credit for bieng the "youngest champion" but he was 22 yrs old in 1988 when he became world champoin - while floyd Patterson was 20 when he got teh World title.

    Was destroyed at his Peak by 42-1 underdog grade C journeyman Buster Douglas.
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    Was destroyed in his Prime by 25-1 underdog, old washed-up 34 year old Holyfield - who had been beaten by Moorer in 1994 And KO'd by a fat Bowe in 1995.
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    Never got off teh canvas in a fight.

    Is extreamly overated H2H cos of the xcellent promotion by Don King in teh 80's And 90's + Tyson had the biggest hype train of all time.

    Always had shitty stamina And no heart.

    99% of people he beat where ****-scared of him And entered silent-agreements with Tyson not to try and win. Source - Teddy Atlas.

    Lost everytime someone had teh balls to stand-up to him cos he is a spineless bully And a coward.

    :deal :deal
     
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  11. PhillyPhan69

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    01 Louis
    02 Ali

    03 Marciano
    04 Johnson
    05 Holmes

    06 Foreman
    07 Frazier
    08 Dempsey

    09 Lewis
    10 Liston
    11 Jeffries

    12 Holyfield
    13 Tyson

    14 Schmeling
    15 Patterson
    16 Walcott
    17 Charles

    18 Wlad
    19 Bowe

    20 Tunney
    21 P. Jackson
    22 Wills

    23 Langford
    24 Vitali
     
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  12. TommyV

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    1. Muhammad Ali.
    2. Joe Louis.
    3. Larry Holmes.
    4. Lennox Lewis.
    5. Rocky Marciano.
    6. George Foreman.
    7. Sonny Liston.
    8. Joe Frazier.
    9. Jack Johnson.
    10. Jim Jeffries.
    11. Jack Dempsey
    12. Evander Holyfield.
    13. Harry Wills.
    14. Mike Tyson.
    15. Jersey Joe Walcott.
     
    TommyV, Aug 23, 2010
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  13. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Very good list. :thumbsup

    Only thing is i say you underate teh greatness of Holyfield - he does have wins over Prime Bowe And Prime Tyson.
     
    Foreman Hook, Aug 23, 2010
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  14. TommyV

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    Bowe is a very good win indeed, but he lost the series and was more inconsistent at HW than a lot on that list. Tyson was a good 8 years detatched from his prime. Although I feel a '91 Holy beats an '86-88 Tyson anyway.
     
    TommyV, Aug 23, 2010
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  15. TommyV

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    The problems I have with your list are:

    Lewis too high, Louis too low. Wlad, Bowe, Vitali all too high.
     
    TommyV, Aug 23, 2010
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