***Your top 15 ATG Heavyweights***

1 Joe Louis
2 Muhammad Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
4 Jack Jackson
5 Rocky Marciano
6 Jack Dempsey
7 Gene Tunney
8 Larry Holmes
9 Joe Frazier
10 George Foreman
11 Mike Tyson
12 Wladimir Klitschko
13 Evander Holyfield
14 Sonny Liston
15 Riddick Bowe

 

Depends on criteria mate. I rank highly on longevity and dominance, he fails on both of those. He was dominate in dismissing his opposition, but not for a great enough period of time.

He wasn't unbeatable either. Prime-for-prime I think he loses to the likes of Ali, Liston, Foreman and Holyfield.

Is Bowe really getting into lists ahead of the likes of Jeffries and Wills?

 

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Jack Dempsey
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Evander Holyfield
Joe Walcott

:happy

 

i am totally APPALLED by the lists i have seen on here....

Ali
Louis
Foreman
Tyson
Liston
Johnson
Frazier
Holmes
Dempsey
Lewis
Holyfield
Marciano
...

 

Which ones specifically?

 

the ones that rate lewis and marciano within the top 3 atsch

 

Depends on criteria. The thing is, Ali and Louis are so far ahead of the others that however you rank at #3 is going to look a bit silly. They have as good a shout as anybody.

Lewis did everything. Resumé wise, he beat all the top contenders of a strong era. Achievement wise, he was dominant in establishing himself as #1 and cleaned out the division. Head-to-head, he combines size, power, technical skill, under-rated speed and mobility and under-rated durable to great affect. If you give extra points for coming back from adversity, he recovered from two stoppage defeats - one devasting knockout when past his best aswell.

Marciano, I'm not a big fan of. I don't particularly rate his resumé and I think he could have beaten more contenders, but really, can I fault him for that? Nobody would have wanted to face him when he didn't have a title to take a shot at, and once he got the title, you can't fault his opposition. He again dominated an era like Lewis, and he handles himself fairly well H2H aswell.

You don't appear to have Lewis in your top 11. I find that amazing. Any specific reasons? And if we are talking mainly about the #3 slot here, what is your criteria for ranking Foreman there?

 

:-(

 

Big problem with all these lists is Criteria for ranking. So you have to go strictly by who was the most dominant heavyweight in his prime, keeping in mind no one is going to agree 100% but here goes.

1)Joe Louis-25 consecutive defenses. Who cares who they were, 25 is 25!
2)Rocky Marciano-49-0 and was rarely over 190lbs. Imagine him at Cruiserweight!
3)Lennox Lewis-6'5" and 250 with skills. Beat Holy and Tyson + Bowe(Olympics by KO)
4)Muhammad Ali-During 70's 2 losses to very ordinary Norton and Frazier put him here.
5)Larry Holmes-48-0 before questionable losses to Spinks. Held title for 7 years, and was fighting on memory and still giving Mercer, Holy and McCall fits in the 90's.
6)Jack Dempsey-Revolutionized the way heavyweights fought.
7)Evander Holyfield-Handed out a lot of beatings while giving up so much size.
8)George Foreman-2nd career gets him on this list, without it he's top 50 at best.
9)Klitschko(The brothers)-If you look at what they have done since 1996 combined it is damn impressive and still going. Not sure who is better but I lean toward Vitali because he is sturdier, I have a feeling they both end up top 10 after they call it quits.
10)Mike Tyson-He was a beast for about 5 years. So......He lands here.
11)Joe Frazier-I never thought much of Quarry or Ellis, And what a young, limited Foreman did to him just makes me think he would have gotten handled by all the guys above him on this list.
Tie 12)Gene Tunney/Ezzard Charles- Both made hay at 175, but took over for Dempsey and Louis and did it admirably. Charles had more activity at Heavy, but Tunney beat the "Man" twice and retired relatively unscathed.

 

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Mike Tyson
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Jack Johnson
9. Joe Frazier
10. Sonny Liston
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Riddick Bowe
14. Sam Langford
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Ezzard Charles
17. Vitali Klitschko
18. Max Schmeling
19. Max Baer
20. Jim Jeffries

Only my top 10 is in order the other 10 are not, I use accomplishments but more then that I factor H2H quite a bit..

 

My list is better.

1. SNV
2. Holmes
3. Ali
4. Holyfield
5. Haye
6. Chagaev
7. Bergeron
8. Gogea Mitu
9. Foreman
10. Ruiz
11. Barrett
12. Etienne
13. Liakhovich
14. Vitali Klitshchko
15. Wladimir Klitschko

 

Lewis WAY too high, Joe Louis too low, Marciano too high. Holyfield should be higher and NO WAY should Bowe be ahead of Tyson. Dempsey is WAY too low! Klits don't belong in top ten

In general, too many modern fighters included, and rated too high, at the expense of historic ATGs.

Here's my list:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Dempsey
4. Foreman
5. Holmes
6. Marciano
7. Holyfield
8. Johnson
9. Liston
10. Frazier
11. Tyson
12. Jeffries
13. Lewis
14. Walcott
15. Charles

 

People like you are the reason why i became a Lennox Lewis-hater.

 

I am only considering retired fighters!

Ali
Louis
Marciano
Johnson
Dimpsey
Tunney-No clue why most of you are neglecting him?
Foreman
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson
Liston
Jeffries
Charles
Walcott
Frazier

 

I gave your list a good vote not great but not crap

Lenniox Holy and the K's are either active or still have guys from there era floating around effecting what they have done

You have Bowe but no Patterson Tunney Charles Walcott or even the forgotten Jeffries

Ali Louis it dont bother me which way you put them at 1 or 2

Holmes is 3 or 4

Foreman is up there along with Smokin Joe

Johnson is in there too

the rest is kinda pic n choose