prime joe frazier vs prime mike tyson

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  1. TommyV

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    I'm not going to say you are wrong with your outcome, but looking at it in that way is a bit misinformed.

    Foreman and Tyson don't have similar styles. One is a massively strong slugger, one is a calculated swarmer.

    Foreman destroyed Frazier because he couldn't be backed up. He is arguably the most physical strong heavyweight of all-time, with massive ring presence, power and an iron chin.

    He could deliver his power from low and hurt Frazier with lethal uppercuts. Of couse Tyson has a hurtful uppercut and hooks aswell, but he cannot deliver them from the same angles as Foreman was able to do against Frazier.

    Tyson himself would get destroyed by a prime Foreman in a similar manner. No swarmer is history is beating a prime Foreman; even Cus D'Amato himself was resigned to this fact.

    Frazier's problems lie in that Tyson is a quicker starter, has a more rounded two-fisted attack and is quicker. He could get blasted out early if he doesn't manage to back Tyson up and start working the body early.

    The longer it goes on though, the more it is Frazier's fight. If he survives the first 3 or 4 rounds - which is a big if I know - then he will start to find his mark with the left and they will affectively be trading left-hooks I feel. Frazier's body work can wear Tyson down earlier than normal, and his 3 minutes of non-stop activity will give Tyson problems.

    There is also the pyschological factor. Frazier was never intimidated by anybody. Not Ali. Not even Foreman. Sure he got destroyed, but that was a from a stylistic viewpoint, not mental. He got up from all those knockdowns and came back. Could Frazier strike a little fear into Mike though? Perhaps. Tyson of course was one of the most intimidating heavyweights of all-time, but how did he respond when his opponent couldn't be phased?
     
  2. EverLast

    EverLast Well-Known Member Full Member

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    firstly, if the guy I was addressing posted back a civil response, then why are you being a rude piece of ****

    and listen you pea brained reprobate.....if you look back at his post he talked about Marvis and Joe in the same scenario maybe I forgot to spot the hidden undertone of sarcasm in the passage he churned out....


    its easily done, im sure similarly your mother was quite surprised when you popped out, when she thought she had a bad case of the thrush :hi:
     
  3. EverLast

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    Agree with this article partially, but im sorry mate, Tyson was no swarmer. Tyson had the ability to brawl, but was an awesome counter puncher aswell.....

    and just take a look at Foreman vs Lyle.....Lyle is an example of a swarmer, and was within moments of KO'ing foreman

    dont get me wrong....foreman is on my list as a top 5 ATG.....but i see tyson having an excellent shot at beating foreman......with foreman if you can out punch him, he can be beaten....Foreman didnt have the best chin in the world as people mistakenly think.....Ali rocked him multiple times before the KO, Lyle had him down....Jimmy Young along with outboxing him had him rocked.....and in his comeback he was never up against any prolific punchers, that includes Holyfield who just had the attitude of outboxing him.

    the only way a young tyson gets beaten is by using effective movement and boxing....e.g. ALI
     
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  4. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    tyson is a fast starter and frazier a slow starter in frazier can get out of the first without being to badly damaged which for me he would as tyson is not foreman . i see joe winning by ko after the 8th with both men visting the canvas along the way
     
  5. booradley

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    Mike Tyson is probably the most over rated heavyweight in history. Yes, he was good, maybe even great, but threads like this are preposterous. Had Tyson fought in the Ali, Frazier, Foreman era he would have never been more than a good contender.
     
  6. EverLast

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    You are totally deluded

    Larry Holmes. Larry Holmes was so good that he came back as an OLD man in the 90's and extended evander holyfield the distance.....as well as beating Ray Mercer, and some felt he did enough against Oliver Mccall for the title..

    this was years after mike tyson had totally knocked the **** out of larry holmes in 1988....thats how DAMN GOOD mike tyson was...

    tyrell biggs, who at the time of fighting tyson was considered to be a great threat, and who was the USA's touted prospect as the future of the heavyweight division in the amatuers, winning a Gold at the Olympics....was brutally beaten, and handed a defeat that all but ended Biggs' career

    thats how damn good mike tyson was

    so please....dont make such silly remarks....

    no one is saying here that tyson is the GOAT....but he is an ATG :patsch
     
  7. EverLast

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    yes tyson may not be a foreman in terms of pure power, i'l accept foreman is more powerful...

    but tyson is faster, more accurate, and landed punches in bunches, with brutal combinations, and would probably be more likely than Foreman to catch Frazier... :bbb
     
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  8. sillyjoow

    sillyjoow Active Member Full Member

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    tyson by annihilation
     
  9. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    thats when Mike would occassionally show modesty. Tyson would destroy Joe.
     
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  10. EverLast

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    Good point about the modesty (not sure if Tyson destroys frazier clean, but agree that tyson wins)

    I remember tyson talking about alot of heavyweights in that regard, including Ali, Holmes, Louis and Liston...and with tyson being someone who studied boxing history intensely, i feel mike had alot of respect for champions of old
     
  11. kinglouie3

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    Ali, Foreman, Frazier era was vastly over estimated. Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson and Bowe of the late 80's early 90's were every bit as good as the 70's heavyweights if not better.

    Tyson stops Frazier inside of 3 rounds. Frazier had a shaky chin, no right hand and ate hundreds of clean punches every time out. Prime Tyson could slip punches and came out with guns blazing every time. As much as I think this would be a good fight, I can't see Joe upright for more than 9 minutes. Biggest problem here is that Joe wouldn't be intimidated, and that would be his downfall.
     
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  12. EverLast

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    despite my previous posts defending the era of the 90's somewhat...im sorry, your comments above are totally wrong....

    the era of the 70's was VERY special indeed, and the only man i see competing in that era was mike tyson...

    again, you have to consider that a GREAT fighter like larry holmes came back and competed VERY effectively in the 90's, as did Foreman, with none of the champions, including holyfield, being able to destroy these old men like they should have if you are claiming they are every bit as good as you say they are (can you imagine an old lewis, holyfield, or bowe against peak ali, frazier, or foreman, they would get massacred!)

    whereas tyson, was able to knock holmes into bolivion years before holmes had came back in to compete in the mid 90's. :smoke

    Ali, Frazier, and Foreman are all time great gores of the ring
     
  13. TheGreat

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    Frazier was a better inside fighter but I still don't see him beating Tyson and here is why, many forget just how good a technician Tyson was at his peak, his defense was just as good as his offense, due to the technical sill and speed advantages Tyson has in this matchups, Frazier would have too eat to many punches to get off, taking many shots just to land 1 on a peak Tyson would never work.
     
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  14. EverLast

    EverLast Well-Known Member Full Member

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    excellent balanced analysis :good
     
  15. ApatheticLeader

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    :lol:

    This :good