What are some popular pugilistic myths that have been discredited(or need to be)?

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  1. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The ones that spring to mind are:

    1. The Greb-Walker "streetfight" (never happened according to those with the fighters that night. It would have made the newspapers).

    2. The Clay-Cooper "torn glove/extra time" incident(from what I've seen and heard there was no extra time given and no glove replaced).

    3. The Papke-Ketchel "sucker punch" during the ref's instructions(this would have made headlines everywhere. I have the next-day reports from the LA Times and LA Examiner, two primary sources that were there and covered this fight extensively[the Examiner had something like 5 pages devoted to it]. No mention of it. Even Ketchel and his manager- the two who would have logically screamed the loudest- admitted that the "better man won". Papke simply blitzed Ketchel and nailed him with a thunderous right within the first minute of action; a blow Stanley never recovered from. Plus, you think Referee Jeffries wouldn't have scruffed Papke and tossed him out of the ring on his arse if he'd sucker punched anyone during HIS instructions?)

    Any others?
     
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  2. g.rowley

    g.rowley New Member Full Member

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    Think the story that Willie Pep won a round without throwing a punch is pretty much accepted not to have actually happened.

    Also for me don't really think there is too much truth in the Iron Bar rumour in the Dempsey Willard fight but I know there are several who still think there is some credence to this tale
     
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  3. Thread Stealer

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    Ray Leonard ducking Aaron Pryor.

    Alexis Arguello being ahead on the cards by a Nicaraguan judge against Pryor in the first fight.

    Meldrick Taylor being this worthless brain-damaged fighter immediately after the first Julio Cesar Chavez fight, and doing nothing of note after that fight.

    Ray Mercer being dropped by a BODY SHOT against Evander Holyfield.

    I read (on this forum) that it's a myth that Harry Greb was drunk all the time and didn't train hard.

    Marvin Hagler being a face-first brawler.
     
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  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The crazy amount of Kd's in the McVey-Jeannette fight in Paris.
    The claim that the Jack Johnson-Jim Johnson Paris fight was scheduled for twenty rounds.
    That Jeffries nominated the winner of Hart-Root as his successor.
    That Munroe dropped Jeffries.
     
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  5. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    These are two REALLY good ones. I can't believe I forgot to list them. Meldrick didn't start his downhill slide until after the Norris fight from what I can see. And Hags was a quick and clever counterpuncher in his prime.

    Good call
     
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  6. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hiya Matt. Moonlighting from CBZ are ye??;) Two questions:

    1. How many kd's were there?

    2. How/why did Hart get recognition (albeit somewhat shaky) as champ then?
     
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  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd Patterson has a glass jaw.
     
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  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That Benny Leonard started boxing when he fell through a skylight and fell on a boxer who he than replaced in the match.
     
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  9. Thread Stealer

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    I do think the Chavez fight did take some out of Taylor, along probably with heated Philly sparring sessions, but people act like Chavez alone caused his decline/current health or Taylor suddenly was no good after March 17, 1990.

    He strugged against Glenwood Brown right before the Norris fight, but in retrospect I think that was a good win for Taylor to recover from two KDs to beat a bigger man and solid pro in Brown.
     
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  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Yep -- a near perfect post:deal
     
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  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    For the sake of preventing the collective dumbing down of the classic forum, a persistant myth that I'd like to see die is the "Carlos Monzon ko's Joe Frazier in sparring"...belief in that one will bring your fistic IQ down at lest 20 points.
     
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  12. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Evander Holyfield was a former "pro" LHW... ok, ok for a couple of fights I guess but he was still over 175 (that's CW IMO).
     
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  13. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The myth that Harry Greb would entertain a woman in his dressing room
    before a bout ...
    Wrong---It was two women !.
     
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  14. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    dayummm :hey:hey
     
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  15. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    That spinks cleaned out one of the strongest light-heavyweight division in history.It actually makes much more sense to say he was starting to clean out the eighties prime crop, rather than the far more talented '70s fighters, most of whom were past their best when he was still on the rise.He himself turning pro after the olympics was more of a bridge between era's.
     
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