What are some popular pugilistic myths that have been discredited(or need to be)?

Pernell Whitaker was mainly a defensive showboater with little in the way of offense.

Eder Jofre was essentially a mini Ray Robinson.

All you needed to do to beat Mike Tyson was to stand up to him.

Leonard "fought the wrong fight" in Montreal, and schooled Duran in New Orleans when he "fought his own fight".

Duran couldn't deal with movers.

 

Holyfield was "inconsistent" at Heavyweight. He was shot by 2001, so let's concentrate on his Heavyweight record from 1988-2000.
Over those 12 years, Evander went 19-4-1 against very high quality competition. His top wins include Buster Douglas, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Riddick Bowe & Mike Tyson.

In Real Deal's first encounter with Bowe, it was a peak-for-peak war between two highly skilled ATG's & Holy showed unbelievable courage as he furiously fought back. The decision loss to Moorer is debatable & I scored it for Holy, plus he had severe heart irregularities (collapsed left ventricle of the heart). When stopped by Bowe in their 3rd fight, Holy had Hepatitis B, yet still put up a tough battle. Finally, against Lewis he was 38, despite this he managed to be remarkably competitive.

 

Joe Louis was shot when he fought Marciano.

This is not true. Obviously he was past his prime, but he was hardly shot.

 

I agree. :good

 

I don't know about this one...

IMO, Leonard damn near beat Duran fighting "Duran's fight in their 1st fight. That fight was close but people fail to remember that.

Leonard most definately beat him fighting "his fight" in their 2nd and 3rd fights.

 

Yeah, I bring this topic up sometimes.

At age 30 Holyfield-

Had been undefeated for 8 years

Was 28-0 (22) overall

Had been the Undisputed CW Champ, 6-0 (5) in CW World Title Fights

Was the Undisputed HW Champ, 4-0 (2) in HW World Title Fights

Had gone 4-0 (1) vs. future Hall of Famers Qawi W15 and KO4, Foreman W12, and Holmes W12. He had also beat World Champs T. Booze, O. Ocasio, R. Parkey, C. DeLeon, P. Thomas, M. Dokes, and J. Douglas.

He ws actually pretty dominate until age 30.

 

Exactly right, & all that from a natural Cruiserweight. :good
Holyfield is one of the most underrated Heavyweights for Greatness & in Peak H2H match-ups.

 

In what respect did Leonard "fight Duran's fight"?

"His fight" - you mean the tactics he had never used before in a single pro fight? That was "Leonard's fight"?

 

I have read that Harry was actually much in love with his sickly wife and faithful to her.

Don't know, of course, but is anyone certain of the Harry as womanizer stuff.

 

Sschhh! I wont tell if you dont!
1) 9 I believe.

2) It was promoted as a HW title fight with some justification. Hart had beaten Johnson, somewhat controversially but conveniently, and Root having previously defeated Marvin was the favourite. Jeff refereed the bout and this appeared to add legitimacy to the affair but no-where can I find Jim actually endorsing Hart as his successor.

 

Yes, I've read that Harry Greb was very faithful to his wife and actually was religious, he used to carry a Bible in his pocket with him, it was after she died that he was a lot more "comfortable" with women in his dressing room and a womanizer. It seems he was not the womanizer people make him out to be, especially while his wife was still alive. The Greb that people refer to as a womanizer came after his ill wife died.

 

The Fair biography did a lot to spread misconceptions about Greb.

He trained diligently, abstained from alcohol and was kind to his wife. He di go off the rails a bit after his wife died and start sleeping around.

 

Liston taking a dive in the rematch.

 

I think that is another myth. I think it is a very clear decision to Duran in the 10-5 sort of region, on the verge of a schooling really.

 

He probably did.