George Foreman Vs Muhammad Ali in an immediate rematch

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  1. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Who would have won had they fought an immediate rematch after their first fight?
     
  2. sportofkings

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    Its highly unlikely that the rope-a-dope would have worked on Foreman twice
     
  3. lefthook31

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    I think George would win a decision. He wouldnt make the same mistake twice underestimating Ali's ability to survive.
     
  4. arther1045

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    he couldn't fight any other way. he is not koing Ali, and he is not winning a decision. Ali beats him again at this point.
     
  5. tommygun711

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    doesn't matter if Ali doesn't rope a dope, infact Foreman had the most success when he had Ali on the ropes. Ali would beat Foreman to the punch and wear him down.
     
  6. Duodenum

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    As champion, Ali would have dictated terms for a rematch. The fans would be on his side, and pump him up, maybe even in Houston. (If they rematched in the Astrodome, a very familiar venue to Muhammad, and the fans started chanting, "Ali! Ali!," Foreman would be utterly crushed.) A larger and faster ring surface is likely on the menu. Muhammad threw straight punches, while George wound up and looped his via Western Union. Speed is ridiculously in Ali's favor.

    Muhammad inflicted all the obvious staggering shots in Kinshasa. Foreman's hardest punches seemingly had no effect. Why would a rematch have been any different?

    George could not knock him out, and he didn't have the speed, skill, technique or endurance to win a decision. Ali owned him psychologically, and that's why Foreman took so much time off. At the end of that five man exhibition in Toronto, he openly admitted he was tired, and he was getting extended breaks between token opposition who collectively offered far less resistance and lasted considerably less than a total of 15 rounds.

    When Foreman fell in the jungle, there were seven scheduled rounds remaining, against maybe the most formidable 15 round fighter of all the heavyweight champions. (Can you imagine what round nine would have looked like had he beaten Zack Clayton's count?:scaredas:) The notion that George could somehow win a 15 round decision or even survive until the final bell borders on absurdity, particularly in light of Ali's 1975 campaign. He literally beat down the super rugged Wepner, rather than stopping Chuck on cuts, and ruined Lyle with a single jolting right. He maintained a weight of 224 that year, but would likely have gotten back down to 215 or less for George again, who no doubt would be as wide open for getting hit as he was the first time.
     
  7. tommygun711

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    The Ali that beat Wepner would KO a gassed geroge again.
     
  8. sportofkings

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    Actually it think it would have mattered.The main reason Foreman got tired in their fight was because he wasted his energy punching Ali on the ropes.He was all done by the 6th round,Foreman wasnt expecting or prepared for a long fight,he just wanted to get Ali out of there early.He would have paced himself better in a rematch
     
  9. tommygun711

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    And he got tired because he was getting hit with right leads and left jabs the whole fight. period. What fight did Foreman ever fight smartly, outside of the comeback? he always flailed away when he had people on the ropes. so regardless, even off the ropes, Ali was beating him to the punch with right leads and left jabs. What would Foreman do off the ropes besides eat right leads and left jabs?
    same thing. Ali by KO.
     
  10. sportofkings

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    The only round Ali fought Foreman in the centre of the ring was the first round and the main reason Ali went to the ropes was because he knew he couldnt keep the pace he set the first round.Its hard to know what would happen in a second fight if circumstances were different
     
  11. tommygun711

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    the times that he did go in the center of the ring he dominated Foreman.
     
  12. Duodenum

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    Lyle paced himself conservatively and brilliantly into the lead, and had proved himself over the 12 round distance the previous year against Bonavena and Ellis. But Cosell made a timely observation about how profusely Ron's legs were perspiring just before he buckled.

    Bugner paced himself even better than Lyle, in fact, all too well, and Ali won an easy decision. Watching what Muhammad did in 1975 couldn't have boosted Foreman's confidence in a rematch very much. Even after Manila, Ali looked fine against Coopman and Dunn. That he truly was diminished didn't become readily apparent until Evangelista, by which time Young had derailed George.
     
  13. sportofkings

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    Well the only time i can remeber them fighting in the centre of the ring was the first round.Ali put everything he had into the first round and when he saw it had no effect he had to go to the ropes.The postponement of the fight due to Foremans cut seem to effect Foreman worse than it effected Ali,I heard Foreman had overtrained himself by the time of the fight and wasnt as fresh as he could be.As i said its hard to know what would have happened in a rematch thats why i would have liked to see a rematch
     
  14. The Wanderer

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    Foreman was mentally crushed by the loss to Ali. He was obviously less of a force afterward, he would not be able to defend against Ali any better than he did in Zaire, and bottom line, Foreman simply could not deliver punishment quickly enough or consistently enough to take Ali out. Ali would still be able to dominate him through straight punches, outwrestling and outgutting George.

    Oh, and why does everyone always think that Ali only won because of the rope-a-dope, or that this is the only tactic he could bring to the game against Foreman? Earlier in that same year, he beat Frazier with movement and by being smart on the inside. Why do people act like the rope-a-dope was the only thing Ali had left by this time?!!
     
  15. tommygun711

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    he wasn't on the ropes the whole fight man... besides, he would have beat Foreman to the punch, and Foreman wouldn't KO Ali.
    and Foreman was mentally unstable after his fight against Ali, so that would probably work against him too.
    Ali DID go off the ropes sometimes, not for long periods of times but he did beat foreman to the punch and wear him down with right leads and jabs. watch teh fight he did do it.