BJ Penn: Takedowns And Positions Are Jokes

I agree with takedowns and positions possibly being awarded too much significance. Power strikes and legitmate submission attempts should be worth more. But adding up all the points at the end of a fight? Seems a bit impractical.

 

Yes, thanks B.J. for telling us something that we've known for over a decade. Scoring in MMA is absolutely terrible.

 

i totally agree i really hope they do something about this

i think the siva sonnen fight demonstrates that
no matter how bad your winning in terms of ground control & positionning that just cant mean your winning i mean look at sonnens face after the fight

the mousasi kingmo fight is another great example

 

Silva-Sonnen might not be a great example dude for 22 minutes he beat the **** out of Silva make no mistake Sonnen had won every round clearly up until the submission. King Mo vs Mousasi I can understand. One rare time the judges did it right was Guida vs Sanchez in rounds 2 and 3 Guida was on top alot but constantly he was getting elbowed HARD and fending off submissions and the judges correctly scored for Diego. Worst case ive seen recently is Jeff Curran vs Mizugaki somehow Jeff was giving Mizugaki a boxing lesson off his back and always looking for submissions and sweeps while Mizugaki did pretty much nothing but came away with a win and Curran was released from the WEC.

 

yeah if the silva sonnen fight went to decision theres no way silva would have won that fight but i still think he did some good damage & sonnen was dead at the end & thats why he got caught with the sub

but the shots silva was taking didnt do any damage he was never in danger

 

That's what Rings use to do. Main reason Fedor won the decision vs Arona as well.

 

i think RINGS is a little different considering there were no shots to the head on the ground but yeah fedor could have lost this fight one of the judges gave the fight to arona b4 the overtime

 

Hes right. He wouldve won the GSP 1st fight under his proposed changes

 

Eh, not really...an eye poke and a grazing uppercut to the nose isn't an overwhelming win...

And I disagree slightly about position not scoring advantage. Should it, by itself, score? No. But what you do with it...absolutely. You take somebody's back, that is the absolute worst position to be in for the other fighter. That should score unless you lose it right away. They allowed the other fighter to get them in the most vulnurable spot in all of fighting. I don't think that should be neutral. But, again, the scoring is so damn complex, or should be relative to everything that's happening...

 

Damage inflicted > Positional control

Clean strikes landed > Takedown

Solid Submission attempt > Top control

 

i am a boxing fan, and i cannot see how you think this would be fair, favoring one style over another

 

One of the main problems is that 95% of the judges (maybe 100%, I don't know, but I'd like to think some of them have) have never, ever been in a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class. They can understand the boxing/thai easy, that's easy stuff to understand...but no one is going to get an instant understanding of BJJ and all it's complexities. There is so much going on that you simply don't notice unless you know exactly what to look for. While it may look to the average judge that, "Oh, that guy ****ed up..." when in actuality he did that on purpose to get superior position at some later point.

Now try and factor all that in with strikes and takedowns and the clinch and score it? ****, that's hard.

 

you cannot see how I think it is fair for a guy to land clean strikes get taken down and I give credit to the fighter doing the actual damage!

WTF?

damage over positional control.

 

you're saying a clean strike should be scored higher than a take down


that obviously favors those with striking backgrounds over those with grappling backgrounds