Short highlight of Mickey Walker vs Jack Sharkey

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Great Performance by Walker. Incredible Courage shown. This was literally the last middleweight to step up and take on a "heavyweight champion" while weighing near the middleweight limit. Also, Take a look at the picture posted above. Sharkey was chizzled, he showed up in top shape. You could tell when Jack didn't train because his body would often get soft. But Jack looked in good shape for this one.

    I think the difference between Sharkey and Schmeling is Schmeling had the power to hurt Walker, while Sharkey was not a hard puncher. He could not keep Walker off of him.
     
  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From what I've seen of the Walker/Loughran fight it wasn't very close, in my opinion. Loughran was soundly out-boxing him from what I could tell, though it's been a while since I watched it.
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ESB fans, Mickey Walker past his peak, and an overblown middleweight took on these big boys as
    the powerful punching LH Paul Berlenbach 'dropped Paul twice-W.Dec.
    Leo Lomski-power punching LH-W. dec.
    Johnny Risko, heavyweight rubber man contender-Won 2 dec.
    Arthur De Kuh..223 lb heavyweight, ko in 1st round..
    Bearcat Wright-210 tough heavyweight dropped in 1st rd/ dropped Wright and Won. dec.
    Jack Sharkey in prime- fought to 15 rd. draw
    Max Schmeling in prime 1932 ,took right hands that kod Louis, ref stopped fight in 8 rds.
    Question to ESB---Do you think that a Robinson, Monzon, Hagler, could have spotted
    these larger and stronger men, while past their peaks, and accomplished what the aptly
    named "TOY BULLDOG ", so remarkably did.? What say you, ESB?.
     
  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You sure, GreatA? I recall the edge if anything was with Walker but maybe I'm wrong.
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Same as me.
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess there were mixed reactions. The only scorecard that I've read was UP's 7-3-5 scorecard in favour of Sharkey.

    Out of these three articles, two scored it for Sharkey, one for Walker. The theme seems to be that Sharkey was unimpressive against a middleweight whom he should have beaten while Walker put in a great effort and deserved a moral victory.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IGIbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TEsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1739,5965418&hl=en

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=6153,5965978&dq=walker+jack+sharkey&hl=en

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=6458,3563845&dq=walker+jack+sharkey&hl=en
     
  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just checked a few myself, like you I feel Sharkey must have had the edge but the underdog factor kicked in. AP had it a draw 7-7-1 in a straw poll so it was damn close.
    But hey how about this for a turn around, Sharkey had 30 pounds on Walker and drew and in his next fight spotted 60 pounds and won!
    Think Dirrell drawing with Cunningham and Cunningham then outpointing one of the Klits.
     
  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seeing the first Sharkey-Carnera makes this performance by Walker look all the more impressive. The 260-270 lb Carnera was nearly flattened in the early rounds, while the 169 lb Walker took Sharkey's best punches without taking a step backwards.

    Schmeling hit harder than Sharkey, but Sharkey could still punch. It may not be evident by his unimpressive knockout record but it is evident on film, as he stunned most of his foes and knocked out Tommy Loughran.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYz_e9WnGjc[/ame]
     
  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jeez Sharkey was a great boxer!
     
  10. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh and a bit of Boxrec trawling. Sharkey, the great enigma, Mr inconsistent, went from the Bud Gorman fight in 1925 to the Carnera title loss in 1933 with three losses, the Dempsey ko, the Schmeling disqualification and a split decision loss to Risko, and beat in that period, Wills, Godfrey, Schmeling, Carnera, Risko, Gorman, Stribling, Maloney, Delaney and Loughran to name only ten. Ootside the top ten ATG HW's (and not all of them?) who was more consistent, fighting quality, Schmeling maybe?
     
  11. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was only "inconsistent" when you take into account that he was expected to become the next great heavyweight after Dempsey and Tunney, although he never lived up to those standards, and came off as a villain to the public anyhow, due to his over-confident promises to which he rarely lived up to. Even by 1936, when he was all washed up, he was certain that he would expose a young Joe Louis as a second rater.

    Predicting his own fights was a Jack Sharkey trademark long before Muhammad Ali came along:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...,6314422&dq=jack+sharkey+walker+workout&hl=en

    He was wrong about Walker, but right about Loughran:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...,4471518&dq=jack+sharkey+tommy+loughran&hl=en
     
  12. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GreatA, how do you rate him vis-a-vis Schmeling, Baer, Tunney, Carnera, Braddock? and then again Walcott, Charles, Patterson, Moore?
    I know most people have only ahead of Braddock and Moore in these equations but I think he looks better on film than the lot of 'em-am I crazy? Actually Walcott looks pretty good too.
     
  13. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he was a very talented boxer who perhaps lacked the mental make-up to be a true great.

    As a heavyweight I'd rate him above Carnera, Braddock, Moore and about on par with Patterson and Walcott. Schmeling may rate over him due to the win over Joe Louis, but I don't feel there's much between them. Certainly their two fight series did not establish either of their dominance over the other. Sharkey was easily handling a young Schmeling until the controversial DQ, Schmeling took the fight to a past his prime Sharkey and lost by a controversial decision.

    Baer could have taken out Sharkey with one punch, but he could have easily lost a decision also to a far superior boxer.

    I wish Tunney would have had his last fight against an up and coming Sharkey in the late 20's, but it was not to happen.
     
  14. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks, interesting. At least I'm not crazy(or I'm I am, I'm not alone!).
     
  15. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a bit of a Sharkey fan too, an interesting character he was. I think we're a minority though. Most people don't seem to rate him high at all.