Herb Goldman: Tyson = Dempsey

Of all those differences, I think the footwork and agility on their feet is the most easy to spot.
Other differences are obvious too, but the feet is the most massive difference. Dempsey's like a cat or a greyhound in there. Tyson's got the legs of a rhino.

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I mentioned Joe Louis And Mike Tyson as most "dangerous ' to Dempsey
because of their tremendous hitting powers ,with great handspeed..
They had the ability to knock out anyone they hit including a "prime"
Dempsey...That to me is a "danger", unlike Ali,who I feel was more 'flash'
than lightning...
The Dempsey I am talking about is not the Jack Dempsey of the Gene
Tunney fights, anymore than the Joe Louis of the Ezzard Charles fight..
I am talking about the Jack Dempsey of the Willard era and before when he was described by so many writers of his day, as having the spoeed of
a welterweight...I, as you have never seen that Jack Dempsey who his
peers raved about..But I who love all history, take the opinions of these
people seriously...Some of these writers lived many years later as Ray
Arcel did, and never lost their high regard for the peak Dempsey..It is not Dempseys fault that his really prime years fights were never filmed or were
lost...
i give thius analogy...Say 80 years from now the only film available of
Ray Robinson was his whipping by Tiger Jones...People then would
conclude that the old writers of Robinson's prime who raved about him were stupid or using hyperbole...They would be dead wrong about Robby.
As we only see the Dempsey after a 3 year layoff,and past his peak'
of the Gene Tunney fights....Wrong on both counts, I maintain...
In my mind I see Jack Dempse,infinitely better than a Henry Cooper or
Doug Jones, both who gave Ali trouble, finishing the job...My opinion...

 

Differences -Tyson has a much better defense/head movement/guard, Tyson uses a jab, Tyson has much more compact puncher, Tyson is much faster and a better counter puncher

 

Dempsey used a jab too.
So does every fighter, come to think of it.

 

Wrong on virtualy all counts.

Dempsey was in a whole different universe in terms of his ability to throw compact punches. this is the area where Dempsey has the biggest edge, and it isnt even competitive.

Dempseys head movment was less predictable, and more active.

Dempsey made better use of counterpunching and to better effect.

Dempsey used a jab effectivley but the limited selection of surviving film does not showcase this.

 

Using it for a total of 5 times in your career doesn't count

 

Dempsey punches WIDE not COMPACT.

Dempsey was very hittable against the C Class opponents he faced and a punch bag against the 1 A Class opponent he faced. Yes great unpredictable head movement, the problem was it was so unpredictable it rarely happened and he got slapped silly :rofl

Show me a highlight reel of Dempsey's counter punching, and slow as grandma Willard doesn't count, Dempsey was no counter puncher

Dempsey used a jab a grant total of 5 times in his whole career

So no you're wrong Janitor, and I realise your Dempsey hero worship stops you from seeing this

DEMPSEY = HW AUTURO GATTI :hey

 

There are other punches.

 

Yes but the fact he rarely used the jab, and didnt have anything like a good 1, shows his limitations as a brawler

 

Dempsey didn't use his jabs as much as Tyson nor was it better. And he didn't counter-punch better, either.

 

Powerpuncher when did Tyson ever use a jab?? Oh and 3 times in a fight doesn't count

 

Well, he must have thrown all of his career jabs in the clip I posted above then. Or you're making it up.

 

I'll take that as a statement of your ******ation :-(

 

PowderpuffPuncher - if you watch the above vid of Dempsey I counted about 7 jabs in the first 60 seconds of just that clip?? What are you not seeing?? And that was against a fighter famed for his boxing skills and speed - Dempsey was actually too quick for Tommy Gibbons - for the most part Gibbons was having to resort to attempting to smother Jack quick because Jack's footwork and footspeed was getting him too close too quick to even need a jab half the time - watch the Demps-Carp fight too and you'll see Demps using the jab from long range almost continually - I really don't get what you're watching to be honest??