"The Greatest" H2H

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Holmes
Frazier
Louis

 

I can't see Tyson doing it,at all. He'd implode because of being discouraged and frustrated. For me,it would be Louis,Frazier or Holmes.

 

Frazier did it.

 

If you consider that version of Ali prime, yeah.

I don't know though. Louis, Marciano are both good picks. Tyson and Dempsey would bring different things to the table than Ali has ever seen as well.

 

This is an interesting question...If you had asked me this question say 15-20 years ago I would've said Ali beats 'em all. But time has put a different perspective on this. Ali in his prime was something no question about that...But the fighters he fought during that time didn't challenge him the way that men like Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey would have. Many use the Cleveland Williams fight as the definitive proof that Ali in his prime was unbeatable..But Williams was a stand up straight fighter who followed Ali in a straight line looking to land a bomb. In other words tailor made for Ali. Louis was a precision boxer-puncher who had the best arsenal of intelligently thrown punches backed up by solid fundementals in boxing history. Dempsey at his best came at you from angles whipping in power punches to the head and body and posessing arguably the greatest left hook in HW history...The one punch that Ali was most susceptible to because he leaned back. Holmes and Lewis would be no walk in the park either. Two big tough highly skilled boxers. I remember reading somewhere that if you looked at HW h2h matchups as a baseball season, at the end of the "season" Ali would probably finish in 1st place but he certainly wouldn't finish undefeated. This seems to me an accurate assesment.

 

IMO Any fighter in Kalasinns list could beat Ali on their best day, look at buster douglas..He wanted to beat tyson, & on that night he was more focused on his task than anybody on the planet....Its not about who would beat who, its about which fighter wants the victory more, which fighter is ready to step up and adapt to overwhelm Ali's style, and truly bring out the sweet science :bbb



Fraizer is my prime choice, unbelievably brilliant pressure fighter, and THAT left hook from god lol


And Lennox & Holmes have the jab.....:think Dammit we could talk about this all night

 

The style that gives Ali the most trouble is the rough brawlers/swarmers that don't try to box Ali, so that includes Frazier and Tyson, and Marciano. Frazier would always give Ali a great fight, Tyson might crumble though, he doesn't have the will and heart that Frazier had and that's what kept Frazier on his feet throughout the whole fight

 

COULD, but would they?
Lennox has the size, the jab, and the power to give Ali LOTS of problems
Holmes would always give Ali a tough fight based on his speed and heart and the jab
Holyfield would too, just because he wouldn't give up and would have the speed and endurance to keep up with Ali.
Tyson has the speed, power, left hook, and bobbing and weaving to give so much trouble to Ali. If he had the will of Frazier then he would have an excellent shot.

 

Lennox's jab is getting over rated here.

 

yes he pawed with it a lot, but it's lengthy, powerful, and fast, its a good weapon for sure

 

IMO
Joe Louis (as great as he was) doesnt stand a chance, i feel he was wayyy to flat footed, the pre exile ALI would dance around him all night, the post exile Ali would probably box, clinch and frustrate Louis and maybe even use the rope a dope now and then if/when he gets exhausted. Power alone isnt going to beat Ali, just ask Foreman.
Ive got the by Thomas Hauser and Ali states something similiar "Joe Lous was too flat footed. Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, your hands cant hit what your eyes cant see." Louis would eat jabs all night, he also doesnt have the lateral upper body movement of Frazier to avoid Alis punches.

Larry Holmes has the long range jab style, but (this might hurt a few feelings) Holmes was basically an Ali clone but with a harder right hand. I dont see Holmes outboxing Ali, Ali does everything Holmes does but better.

Lennox Lewis - this is an interesting one. Lennox has beat a variety of styles and imo has the 2nd best resume out of all the heavyweights. His 2 losses come purely out of lack of concentration and overconfidence. He can brawl and he can box, hes good at adapting, however i dont think he has fought anyone as fast as Ali or someone with a good range jab, Alis speed and chin would be put to good use in this fight. However if Bruno could outbox Lennox for a few rounds then i guess Ali could. Expect a chess match here.

Joe Frazier - Cant be arsed to talk about this one, we already saw it, and that wasnt even Ali in his prime.

Evander Holyfield - This would have been a 15 round Trilogy. It will probably be close scorecards and then Ali nips it purely because hes Ali. Its going to be a long night for both though. No KOs here. And if Holyfield wins, hell give his "My god is the true god speech..."

Rocky Marciano - see Ali Vs Frazier, it would be a tough fight....while it lasts. Rock cuts easily and Ali would no doubt take advantage of that. Ali would stop him on cuts.

Mike Tyson - Poses the biggest threat, because SPEED KILLS (anybody whose laced a pair will know what i mean). Ali never EVER fought anyone as fast as himself and Tyson is probably the fastest heavyweight ever.....not to mention he had great timing and accuracy and he hit pretty hard too. People keep talking about Tysons mental problems...bull****...that was only after Don King, Robin Givens (and her mother) had their tentacles wrapped around him. And even then his mental problems were OUTSIDE the ring. Inside the ring he was the man.....see Spinks fight.
Remember it was a short left hook from Cooper that dropped ALI. Its always the punch you dont see coming that hurts. THIS is what made Tyson the man. It wasnt his power (which i feel is slightly overated) it was his accurate, pinpoint fast powerful punches in bunches, one of those punches will connect. Ali could keep the shorter Tyson at bay with his jabs but Tyson will be going under that jab banging the body and then the head. Ali has the speed to fight going backwards, but Tyson will be chasing him down all night. If anything, i see Tyson winning this on points. If Frazier did it Tyson could. Tyson was faster than frazier, had better combinations, had a better chin and a much better defence. Frazier was a swarmer Tyson was a counter attacker. No way Ali KOs Tyson, if he couldnt KO Frazier, hes not Koing Tyson who had much better defence and chin.
I dont think the pre exile hits hard enough to get Tysons respect so Tyson will be all over him. The older Ali hits harder however he doesnt have the footwork to avoid Tyson for long. People compare Tyson to Foreman, George hit much harder than Tyson, but Tyson was much faster. You can see Georges punches a mile away....ever wondered why Cooper dropped Ali, but Foreman couldnt?

People need to stop comparing Tyson to Frazier, Liston, Patterson and Foreman, he wasnt any of these guys, he was his own person.

Im talking about Tyson 1986-1988......any Tyson after that sucks and should not even be mentioned.

Out of all the guys i believe Lewis And Tyson posed the biggest threat and could possibly beat Ali.
But if any of these guys do beat Ali it will only be the one time.

It all depends on which Ali were talkin about though...Pre or Post exile?

I thought id add VK/WK as well.

WK looks good outboxing smaller guys, but here he will be fighting a guy a similiar size to him. someone whose faster, with a better boxing mind, a better jab and a better chin. WK stands no chance....apart from maybe a lucky punch.....

VK is too flat footed, his great chin will keep him in the fight, however his tendency to get cut may mean he might be getting stopped if Ali peppers him with fast jabs and right hands. VK wouldnt be able to catch Ali.

 

lewis has the best chance.marciano had practically none

 

Totally agree :yep

 

atsch This is great stuff. Can it/he be serious? :shock: