BJJ is now being relegated to the 3rd or even 4th best discipline.

The ****ing wall walk crap isnt helping.

 

Nah more like you gotta be an all around fighter to have any success. If you watch the elites of the games they are all well rounded.

GSP-Great wrestler but also have a good kickboxing/boxing and jiujitsu backgorund.

Anderson Silva-Great BJJ but also great muay thai/boxing to go along with it.

Bj Penn-Great bjj and good boxing skills

Lesnar-Great wrestler and been working on his striking and submission

Mauricio Rua--great muay thai skills and bjj

You gotta study multiple martial arts today to have any success.

 

You have at least have good BJJ defense if you want to be a successful wrester in MMA. Look at Chael. He is a great wrestler, but how many times has he been subbed?

A strong wrestler with good sub defense will usually be successful.

 

I agree. Wrestling is by far the best base. Sure, GSP is a well-rounded, next-generation fighter, but he relies on wrestling above all else. Then there are guys like Gray Maynard who do nothing but wrestle and continue to win.

We went through the jiu jitsu years with Gracie. Then the wrestling years started with Couture, Coleman, Kerr, etc. Then we had a brief striking heyday with Chuck and Cro Cop. Now I think wrestling is taking over again. Edgar is a wrestler with crisp boxing. GSP is probably the best MMA wrestler in the game. Silva almost lost to Sonnen. Lesnar...obviously. Even soon-to-be 205 champ Bones Jones has some sick wrestling.

Simply put, straight BJJ fighters don't have the takedown ability to dominate anymore, and unless they can get it done from the guard, it's not happening.

All the top guys have good wrestling, good sub defense, and above average striking. That's a deadly combination...

 

People still sleeping on Judo. It takes a ton of skill, and acts perfectly to nullify wrestling.

 

Sokodjou(spelling) was an Olympian in judo and he hasn't had elite success. He did fight in the UFC though.
Sorry for this novice martial arts question. But, what does judo utilize other than throws for its skills?

 

Are you kidding? Randy couture's last win via arm triangle.
Anderson's only saving grace was his BJJ when he submitted (the wrestler) Sonnen.
Arguably the greatest fighter on the planet succembed to BJJ in Fedor vs Werdum.
Brock Lesnar was getting destroyed, he didn't stop Carwin with ground and pound, it was jiu jitsu.

I agree wrestling is a great skill to have, but you can't underestimated the importance of BJJ.

 

Fedor's base is considered Judo.

If you know anything about it, you know it is naturally the best counter to wrestling. The problem with it is, is the traditional emphasis of the gee, and so many variations based around the gee that cannot be executed without it.

It is as natural to countering wrestling takedowns as a catchers mitt is to catching a fastball. Another problem is, its just not as popular in the states as it is in other places, and not many people are willing to try to utilize it as a discipline in MMA because it is so technically difficult to execute.

It's one of those things, if you are extremely high level, you are extremely good and can use it very practically. If you are average at it, it's not nearly as useful. It requires a lot of quickness and athleticism, where bjj requires virtually none.. Wrestling, it requires explosiveness and strength, but simply having solid technique in wrestling is often times very good.

In order to be worth half a **** in Judo, you need to be extremely competent at it, and very athletic/natural at it.

 

But the position there is also that the Gracie's "official" pressence in the MMA didn't continue with the Zuffa era because rules and weight classes were added.

I would give the example of round 1 Florian Maynard as the example as to why the RULES and criteria for judging a UFC fight favour a wrestler.

Florian controls the octagon and striking for four minutes, Maynard takes him down and does NOTHING with the TD and Maynard is awarded the round.

I would much rather see a PRIDE esque emphasis from the referee and the judging criteria leaning toward finishing the fight or something along the lines converse to the defensive ie: Rather than intelligently defending, intelligent offence from the top position.

 

Very true when you look at recent results..Im from a boxing background and now fighting MMA.I have based most of my training on improving my Kickboxing and Takedown/Takedown defence..

Though learnt a in a very heavy sparring session recently that its time for me to take BJJ abit more seriously..I had a 3round unofficial fight/ all out sparring session with a fellow training partner and absolutely owned him for nearly 3 rounds...He just didnt have my measure in any aspects other then when he got the hailmary armbar on me with 30seconds left in third round..

Im just fortunate it only happened in training though the incident has opene my eyes..I will admit i didnt care much for BJJ and stupidly seen it as a gay defensive way of fighting..through my boxing believed the best form of defence is a great attacking game...

 

Hector Lombard may not be Elite but he was a Judo Olympian. Im sure there will be more to come.