Will the mma vs boxing war continue....and if so

yeah this is true. but u would think for something like mma where u need to be quick to react on your feet just as much as your hands he would do something to optimize his speed. he looked like he didnt care. ah well i dont think anyone is suprised by the result.

 

:deal

 

yea true.. he has i think 5 or 6 fights but in UFC they usually fight the next best contender. It's not like they have tune up fights.

Look at randy couture record. Yes he has like 10 losses in his career but he is considered an ATG because he has fought the best of the best.

Tito Ortiz-Chuck Liddell-Vitor Belfort- Tim Sylvia-noguiera-lesnar-vera-gonzaga-coleman-rizzo-barnett-randleman etc

 

I'm not knocking their fighters. They are good at what they do and they are every bit as brave as boxers. But the sport is extremely young and they are years, decades away from producing an elite fighter. Think about it. When professional boxing started there were no elite fighters. In fact, the early fighters were pretty bad, technique wise. But as amateur boxing programs became popular and experienced coaches started teaching young boxers the basics, the sport grew in quality and competition. It took maybe thirty years for boxing to produce a truly elite fighter...I'm thinking Joe Louis. And Joe Louis only became great because he had a great amateur background. MMA is just starting to build that. It will be decades before that system grow big enough and competitive enough to produce an elite fighter....a fighter like Robinson, Ali, Leonard, etc.

 

What the **** was going on with the takedown? It looked like all Toney had to do was drop on him(sprawl? I think) instead he just fell. And what is going on with those idiots chanting ''UFC'' at two old guys supposedly fighting.

 

I watched this, I am a big Toney fan. I was embarrassed for him and kinda embarrassed for boxing. This is not just a sport i am a fan of but I have been a boxer since I was 11 yrs old.

While other kids my age were playing football and basketball and such I was in the gym sparring and working the bags.

I hope more boxers who need money dont fall into this trap. It is a toally different sport and is not going to end well for boxers.

 

True but UFC has come a long way since the very beginning. Back then you can have one style and dominate (ex royce gracie BJJ) He won couple of tournaments because nobody had any answers to his submission.

In today's UFC-MMA you can't be one dimensional. Like only being a good wrestler or bjj guy. If you notice the elites of the MMA like fedor-gsp-silva-penn-shogun etc. All of them are good in more than one thing. They're either bjj with kickboxing skills or wrestling with submission and boxing etc.

 

I'm a huge boxing fan, and a very distant MMA fan, but I'm also a moderate Pro Wrestling fan, hence I question what you mean by Brock Lesnar having 1/100th of the skill and/or talent of Pac or Mayweather...like you mean boxing skill or talent? Brock Lesnar is an accomplished amature wrestler, is a box office draw in terms of being an entertainer (WWE Champion), is the reigning MMA heavyweight champion, made a run at the NFL and got into training camp. I mean dude is a legitimate athlete and is skilled in many different ways.

 

guida's the ****.

anyway, we'll see how Kimbo does in boxing and we'll go from there

 

Couture didnt call Tooney out but I see your point. I watched the fight and as soon as it started Couture took him down. I expected atleast 10 seconds of stand up but even that was too much. You would think alot more MMA guys would try and get a fat paychech doing some boxing show but it just isnt happening.

 

They do what White says. White says you can't go into boxing, so they don't.

 

The bottom line is it's apples to oranges and of course Toney got killed. Aside from his personal deficiencies, he's in an entirely different sport. Do you think Lesnar would beat Vlad or Vitali in a boxing match...hell no, but he also wouldn't fight them in a boxing match. When Couture was asked about fighting Toney in a boxing match, he said hell no he'd knock me out in the first round. It's a different game and it's disrespectful for a boxer to think they would go into that world and dominate, it's not going to happen. It doesn't prove anything, because I think most expected that to happen. It sucks that it was sold as Boxing vs. MMA, because it was obvious how it would end, but I blame Toney more than White, MMA, Couture. He was the one that talked ****, didn't train, and got ****ed up. They just took the money, I don't blame them.

 

It has come a long way, but it's got a way to go. Their elite fighters are not elite athletes because the sport is simply too young. None of them cut their teeth in a competitive amateur system. They all started out as something else. A wrestle, a boxer, a judo guy, a kickboxer, etc. The first elite fighter they produce won't have an other discipline save MMA. He will have grown up as a MMA fighter and gone through a tough amateur system.

 

Very simple. He's not trained in MMA. He may be a good athlete, but you can't compare a guy who has 4 year of MMA experience with fighters who have been in the sport for 20 plus years. Not to mention is just starting out with their amateur system. There is no olympics for MMA and the competition is not nearly as high as it is for boxing. As a result, you will never produce an elite fighter. You'll product a big, strong athlete like Lessner who dominates inferior competition. MMA is years aways from producing a guy like Mayweather or Pac.

 

Boxing is a more specialized sport than MMA. Generally, MMA fighters have a better chance beating a boxer in boxing than a boxer beating an MMA fighter in the octagon (assuming same athletic level, training, size, etc.). Of course it does not mean a big chance, just a "better" chance.

MMA has already produced great athletes like Fedor, Gracie, etc.
These guys were or are accomplished fighters in their original sport.

Many of them training since their youth. What they have realized is that one fighting style - be it BJJ, boxing, wrestling, muy-thai, is not going to cut it by itself. You need to be able to use every major fighting style (kicking, fist strikes, wrestling and submission) in a decent level with COMPLETE cardio training.

Yes boxers have great cardio BUT they train in specific ways and specific muscles.

This is actually why MMA is so hard. You literally have hundreds of years of martial arts, dozens of styles and training you can learn from.

Anyway, the Toney fight was BS anyway. You have two guys years pass their prime and one guy in his first fight.

Anyway - I give MMA less than a decade to produce a major mainstream star. Kimbo was close but he lacked one thing - actual MMA skills.