birth place isnt that important. where did he train, get brought up, go to school at and whats on his passport.
:rofl:rofl:rofl How can you claim McCloskey without claiming Martin Lindsay. Hypocritical? YES Wrong? YES False nationalisation? YES
No its not at all. The quote you have taken is also a question about where their parents were born. You're one of the people who'd consider Arteta 'English' and available to play for England. Bull****. He's Spanish by every sense of the word.
rjko23 - Alexei Acsota and all them Cubans in Ireland are actually Irish then yes? When Cubans defect by their countries laws they relinquish their nationality officially (?) so by some technicalities they could be Irish oh and Odlanier Solis is German :rofl
id give you all of them fighters apart from matthew macklin. he's lived and trained in england most of his life and has a british passport so although he's irish descent were having him. or maybe we can have duel ownership. its wierd because on wikipedia he's irish and on boxrec he's british. by the way andy lee's your best fighter. he'll be world champ soon.
i wouldnt claim arteta because he's lived here for 5 years. not nearly he's hole professional life like macklin. the thing is it happens in avery sport. lagat one of the greatest distant runners of all time conveniantly race for america now. theres countless football players, boxers, athletes representing countries they probably dont belong to. where do you draw the line? surly amir khan should fight for india by you estimation????
you make a good point. but what im saying is if that person spends a significant amount of time living training and learning the trade in there adopted country. and they become a citizen of that country then yes i believe they should represent them. ajose olusegun has lived nearly all his professional life in uk an now is a uk citizen there for he should fight for uk. the cubans you mention have only recently moved and dont posses real irish citizenship.
But then they dont have a nationality because they defected. some people would see it this way. Say if they stayed in Ireland the rest of their careers. Would they be Irish?
They were born in the same place as their parents. Do you not think it's a bit of a contradiction to say Macklin isnt Irish(which I agree) even though his parents are Irish, which is what you say defines where someone is from? McCloskey represented Ireland at amateur level, but that's impossible because your saying both him and his family are British.
i personally dont think it should depend on race. because were allk a blend of different races you just cant desifer. especially in the uk were complety mixed. the only way you can do it is by looking athow long theyve lived in the country and what it says on there passport. thats the official stance in my eyes. but if people want to claim a fighter be my gest. as long as you dont mind africans claiming jack johnson, floyed mayweather and muhammed ali.
if they hold an irish passport and there an irish citizen then yes they should officially be called irish. that means if they win a world title it should be oficially ireland who claim it.
I never said Macklin wasn't Irish. I said 'Irish'. He doesn't even enter my train of thought so I had no desire to research him. If his parents are both fully Irish then Macklin is Irish. If they are simply Irish descent and he was born in the Uk then hes British.