name your countries 10 best boxing stars.

There is limitations and timescales. so its not 'flaud' (lol).

The debate in question is talking about 1 generation. Dont be foolish just to try and disagree.

 

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Excatly, if Khan has a British passport, is from Britain and considers himself British, then he is. The same goes for McCloskey and Ireland.

 

Sam Sexton..... :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Agree with that on the whole but still consider McCloskey British not Irish.

 

How can there be limits or time scales, surely you are British or you are not British. Every generation is but one generation, life is now in the present. You are what you are but you should be cafeful about trying to make people fit into catagories.

 

Just to clear up a few things for everyone involved in this debate.
Britain= England, Wales and Scotland
UK= England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland

Under the Good Friday Agreement(1998), people born in Northern Ireland are entitled to Irish citizenship, British citizenship or both. This is law according to both the British and Irish governments.

Some fighters from Northern Ireland will consider themselves British, some Irish and some may consider themselves both. It's all a case by case basis.
Now while religion has been a large factor in Northern Ireland over the past few hundred years it is not the be all and end all. Not all Protestants are unionist and not all Catholics are nationalists, nor does everyone in Northern Ireland fit into a typical mould of one side or the other.


McCloskey and Lindsay are Irish, if people want to put them into lists for lists for Irish/British/UK fighters I doubt the men themselves will care that much. But they might take exception to some calling them a 'British Catholic' which is a totally inaccurate description of them.

Both of Matthew Macklin's parents are Irish, his father is from Four Roads in Roscommon and his mother is from Balingarry, Tipperary(for those acquainted enough with Tipperary to know there's two Balingarry's in it, it's the one in South Tipperary). Macklin considers himself primarily Irish, although is proud Brummie.





nationality is really up to the person however. Obviously someone who's never been or had an ancestors from Mozambique claiming to be from there is ridiculous. But if a person was born into one country with parents from another country(or two other countries) and they feel that that's what they, then that's what they are. If they feel the birthplace of their parents is what they are then that's what they are.

eg. Frankie Gavin has two Irish parents but was born and raised in England, proud of his Irish roots but consider himself English. Similar scenario to Macklin but not every case is the same and it really is up to the individual(bar my Mozambique example above).

 

IRELAND

Martin Lindsay
Paul McCloskey
Andy Lee
Brian Magee
Matthew Macklin (He considers himself Irish)
Patrick Hyland
Andy Murray
Paul Hyland
Willie Casey
Gary O Sullivan


Prospects

Carl Frampton
Jamie Kavanagh
Dean Byrne

 

If you claim hispanics in general you can definately claim Martinez he is definately hispanic.

 

That's what I was trying to say.

 

Good post and didn't know Northern Irish people could claim either/or or both. Fair enough then. But nationality is a very delicate issue and there are lots of loopholes and such.

 

But McCloskey and Lindsay have the Uk flag nex tot their name on boxrec because they were born in Northern Ireland. Yet consider theirselves Irish according to posters on here.