Toney talks about his loss to Randy

No, I claimed I fought in them. Again, what makes you talk so tough, wannabe tag a long errand boy?

 

Everyone including kids born in 2004 claim this.
Everyone was on the ground floor when the UFC first started.

Everyone got the first UFC on PPV too.
Despite the fact that most cable providers (Jones InterCable included) didn't even carry the first couple of UFCs.

I still remember old Karate mags that broke the styles down to: Strikers and Grabbers/Throwers.
Reading some of the early articles you'd think that no one had a clue about submission holds.

I remember hearing about Melton Bowen (boxer) and his pre-lim fights he had to win to even get a chance at Steve Jennum.

So many die-hard mma fans that claim to have been on the ground floor were never there.

 

I was a kid, and it was probably a few years late, but I did rent the UFC's on VHS.

Regardless, I have seen much of the history of MMA from archival footage.

 

Bull**** he said he was OK the first time. Don't come on here telling lies.

 

What a sad sight.

 

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Were you even in the military?

When I was in, real mother ****ers put the gloves on and boxed up until someone got their jaw broke.

It took REAL courage to get in there and fight cuz mother ****ers were gettin KTFO.

Grapplin is if you scared.

 

So now the military, all of them across the world, are soft?

 

When I was deployed to a desert location, we had boxing matches. You really had to step up because there was no head gear and most of the time, REAL mouth pieces.

It was goin fine until someone got their jaw broke.

But to me that is way harder than grapplin someone and just tappin them out.

We did that **** too. I wrestled some fat mother ****er to the ground. Keep in mind though, this was before UFC was big as **** and everyone was gayin it up in the gym rollin around in their underpants.

And the only reason I wrestled the particular guy in question was because he was talkin ****, and I told him I was stronger than his ass, even though he was bigger than me, and I slammed his ass.

Still, if he was really tryin to prove his **** to me, he coulda put the gloves on. That's where the real men go. Don't hit it if you scared though.

 

Beebs, I wouldn't get in this with you, if you would just ADMIT that it takes more courage to put the gloves on and throw punches and possibly get knocked out, with no place to run or hide, or grab on, than grapplin where you roll around lookin for a limb to grab and pull on it till the other guys quits.

Can you break someone's arm? Yes...

Does it happen in regular gyms...no.

But in boxing gyms, at the amateur level, people walk out covered in blood sometimes. Black eyes are normal. Gettin rocked is part of the game.

 

You think I don't know about bloody noses and black eyes? I had plenty of better boxers in my gym who loved to spar the white kid.

Believe me, it takes no more heart (no less either mind you) to enter a boxing ring than an MMA fight.

 

And if you needed to fight somebody for your life you wouldn't consider using anything but boxing? Of course you would consider using any skill you have.

You need to develop those skills to have them.

 

Well I hate feeding the troll here, but my gf's son is 14 now and likes MMA and boxing, although quite casually. We live in Davenport just a few minutes from MFS and he really enjoyed martial arts classes(not sure what he all took tbh) and had a lot of fun. Even did a bit of sparring. Always showing me moves and stuff he learned, and really seemed like a cool place for kids, to learn discipline and respect etc..

He wanted to try the boxing gym in Davenport as well.. That didn't go so well. His mom told me she picked him up after his 3rd class in tears. I didn't press the issue but the most I got out of it is that he showed some skill(I'm guessing because of the martial arts) and did some light sparring, and got his ass slapped around a bit..

I'm not saying any sport is tougher or anything, I just think martial arts is easier to entice kids into than boxing.. With todays softer culture I think thats why we might see martial arts centers thriving where boxing gyms are closing left and right..More boxing gyms should take the self esteem-discipline angle to attract more kids in a pretty untapped suburban, or rural market.

 

Honestly, it's hard to find a good boxing gym with an educated coach. Most of the guys don't know **** about boxing, and expect the kids to just go in there and get beat up until they either quit, stick it out and get beat up and not really have anything to show for it except for a record that consists of just as many losses or wins, or find out how to box by theirselves.

Because honestly, the guys that DO know how to box typically aren't trying to spread any knowledge to those that are new or don't know how to box and will just as happily beat up kids that are essentialy targets.

I think that something does need to be changed, but you need coaches to have more knowledge about the game in order for this to be accomplished.

 

Well its Alvino Pena's gym in Davenport, where Echols, and Michael Nunn came from.. Good gym, but a hard nosed, old school atmosphere.. They work hand in hand with the MMA gym as well, and judging by the pictures on the wall in there it looks like Pat Militech learned a lot of his boxing there as well..

The Toney fight around here ws viewed differently I think, as a lot of the older MMA fans here, were in John O'Donnell stadium the night Toney knocked out Nunn. Toney to this day was usually one of the first guys people talked about when you brought up boxing. I think a lot of MMA fans (and there is a LOT of MMA guys bc of MFS) who hadn't seen in years were shocked to see how heavy he'd gotten, and how **** poor his speech was. The last tme they followed him he was a mw... Everybody I talked to who knew anything thought it was a complete joke..

Couture seems to be a class act, but he should have taken a page from the Klitschko's(another class act), and ignored Toney's ramblings..Any MMA fan who enjoyed that "fight" better look deep down inside and ask themselves why? That wasn't a fight, it was an execution.. of an old, fat, delusional man, who anyone with compassion or dignity would ignore..