Is Haye just a dummy dum dum?

The bad news for Haye is that he won't get 50/50 next time.
The good news: Haye is a great talker and businessman and can sell any fight to the gullible British public. If he milks his title for a few years and chooses his opponents wisely he will retire a very rich man.

 

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Valuev was a challenger who was offer a certain amount to fight. Haye is a title holder who was offered a 50/50 split of all revenues. Booth and Haye have confirmed this. It is a different scenario entirely. So, I don't know what you're non-point point is.

 

Okay. THis is very simple. If Haye keeps the UK PPV, he alone benefits from a unification bout that will bring in more money and more buys that he could get anywhere else. Skybox reported 500K buys for his bout with Ruiz. Industry insiders estimated 1 million buys from unification. Wlad would help to give Haye that payday, so not splitting the money is absurd. It means that one man benefits from unification and the other does not. It's an unequal contract. Not too difficult to grasp.

 

No, he's just coward

 

There is obvious mixed views about this, and we all know he wants all the money he can get before fighting any of the klit bros, i think he will providing they can all come to an agreement. but it wont be for a year or so i think anyway,

G

 

I think you can take that as given. Nobody's going to pay to see Harrison. It won't do well at all if it happens imo.

Charade.

 

he said there more money than there getting to be had in germany . with the ppv in the uk i think the uk is the more profitable market

 

Let´s see, Haye offerd two possible deals.

1. The fight is not on RTL, but on another TV-Station.
That´s not even possible for the Klitschkos, because they have a permanent contract with RTL.
Thus it´s not really a possiblity, and I guess Haye knows this.
BTW know other TV-Station could pay as much as RTL. The other two stations, that show big boxing events, are public stations. Their budget for boxing is already spent on the events of Universum and Sauerland. They don´t have money in their budget left for another big event.

2. He (Haye) keeps the money from PPV in the UK, the Klitschkos keep the german TV money.
Sounds fair, but one problem, there basically no meaningful PPV in Germany. Consequently there is not so much money to be made. That´s not Haye´s fault, but he can´t expect Wlad (the real heavyweight champ)to agree to a deal, where he get´s less than 50% of everything.

That´s how I understand it, if something´s wrong, please correct me.

 

I don't see how if an offer was on the table and it was turn down and then the fight got revisted but this time K2 made a lower offer wouldn't that be the same scenario as Haye turning down the first k2 offer then coming back to the table and receiving a lower offer?

Here's an article on the Valauv negotiations
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/06/klitschko-team-offering-valuev-1-5-million-not-2-5-million/

 

ive just realised that its Wlad who is a bigger draw in UK and it is because it's him who appears more often on British TV than Haye...

 

British Boxers are **** scared of Klitschkos.. Either they retire or duck them for ever..

 

I must have imagined the Danny Williams, Lennox Lewis, Herbie Hide and Julius Francis fights! atsch

 

The Klitschkos did not lower their offer to Valuev. They made an offer in one currency, Euros I think, which remained the same. This made sense as they most receive Euro revenues. What changed was the dollar value of that offer.

Don King then came out asking for the same dollar value of offer, (when the dollar had gone up a lot in value) which in Euro terms meant more than had been offered. The Klitschkos refused to increase the Euro offer to keep the dollar offer the same.

 

Maybe lanzelotz put this more clearly, but anyway:

Haye is refusing 50-50, because he says that the German revenues included ought to be higher. This isn't realistic, and is a way of avoiding the fight unless he gets more than 50-50. The German revenues are locked in, because Wladimir has a multi-fight deal there with the TV network. They are likely to be lower than the maximum that could be made, because it is not PPV; which is a big reason why Wladimir is a proper star there and is getting boxing exposure and fans.
Haye's alternative, where he takes UK; Wladimir takes Germany; and the rest is split 50-50, actually ends up giving Haye more than 50-50, because he will cut a PPV deal in the UK, thus excluding most people from watching the biggest fight in boxing, which will give higher revenues than Wladimir's German non-PPV deal.

If Haye were happy to accept a little less, whilst still earning millions from the fight, to earn equal with Wladimir (whose achievements outweigh his own), with the fight getting greater exposure because of being non-PPV in at least Germany, then the fight would be on. Haye's greed and lack of realism have killed this for now; and my support for him wanes.

 

SNV warned us all about this but the Americans just said "No, our government says SNV is NOT a prophet!"...:-(