Fighters who unfairly get labeled as being boring?

Just watched the first Benvenuti fight, it was good although slightly scrappy.

The Monzon fights arent the best but I liked them.

Griffith is proper shite in the Napoles fight.

I liked the Paret fights. You need to see the LMR bouts.

 

Exactly. :think

 

Paret 3 is a fine, fluid fight, but the first two are insufferable jab and grab maulfests, with lots of ugly armpunch flurrying to the body inside.

 

I think Griffith did display his skills to an extent in those fights though. I never really bought into his campaigning at higher weights where he just seemed to plod forward hoping his opponent would be kind enough to let him inside or to give him an opening for an easy counter. Against Welterweights when he had a bit of killer instinct it's a bit easier to justify his being considered a Great.

 

I thought Paret-Griffith I and II are good tactical fights. Some quality inside fighting from both men and fine skills on display. Me and you just see things different.

What fights do you think he 'plods forward' looking for openings at Middleweight?

I do not see any fight where Griffith lacked 'killer instinct', do you see any in that he did lack it?

 

Or me.

 

He's obviously basing Griffith's entire Middleweight career on the Monzon fights, and basing his entire Welterweight career on his days pre-Paret.

 

Old Ezz' could be cautious. I just love his artistry and technical ability.

 

Even in the Monzon rematch he does not 'plod forward'.

And at Welterweight I honestly never noticed a difference in Griffith pre or post Paret. He is just using a cliche that Griff lost the 'killer instinct.'

 

I like Griffith well enough by the way, i've always just really disliked those Paret fights.Benny and Griffith could make for great or truly awful fights depending on the opponent.Paret vs Don Jordan is another truly terrible fight imo, but the Federico Thompson bouts were great.

 

Fair enough. I can see how some would'nt like them. I enjoyed them enough. I thought the first fight was very good but the second abit more scrappy and brawling type of match.

 

"Hobbling" is probably a better word than "plodding".

 

Itrymariti, please explain exactly what fights give you these impressions?

They seem to be very unfounded criticisms IMO.

 

Nor was Monzon a pawing slugger, or Bob Foster a winging left hooker, in my opinion. Depends on who's watching.

To an extent I agree with the cliche. I think Griffith from the Paret and Ortega fights, among others, was on the whole a generally more aggressive offensive fighter than post-Paret Griffith. He seemed to mold the beginnings of the jabbing/out-boxing oriented version he used as a Middleweight after those fights.