damn you wrote a lot! thats probably why it took you two days to respond. dont waste your time spending days writing clever responses, it wont make you any more right. sorry homeboy I just cant agree with you here. machida lover is not meant to be an insult, it is simply what you are.:deal you should learn to be more thoughtful of others opinions, instead of simply dismissing them, it makes you seem arrogant. having said that, I did read your post, didnt feel the need to respond to each point - what a bore!:dead stop arguing for your man so hard, you have nothing to gain by everyone agreeing with you ..................right? please dont be upset with me, I dont want to hurt you anymore
I should also say that I dont need to argue for silva being p4p best since you cant undo his accomplishments no matter how much you write. your the one who doesnt understand the p4p system. the main point is it is all subjective to me it is either gsp or anderson as the #1 choice. you list off gsps wins in the ufc as if thats all that counts but he also has two stoppages in the middle of those victories silvas recent resume dose not have this. silva does not play it as safe either like gsp, who clearly is afraid of his opponents strengths. these (along with the reasons I have already have given) are the reasons silva edges gsp in the p4p rankings. I really hate nitpicking on p4p rankings, it is so trivial. but on the rankings I find it more interesting if people look below the top 1 or 2 (I would add #3 spot also because fedor clearly is no lower than #3)
I must respond to this because it is absolute garbage. he moved up and fought a top ten lightheavy in forrest griffin a former champ in this period, this is something gsp wants none of. if anderson is in such decline, why dosnt your boy move up to challenge him, could the p4p be afraid- I shudder to think how badly your boy would lose that one. silva clearly has dominated every fight he has been in for the past 13. with the exception of the last fight in which HE UNDISPUTEDLY WON!!! sonnen was exacly the type of fighter that would cause problems for silva and coupled with a rib injury was enough to give him almost more than he can handle.......... but he still found a way to win- thats impressive to me, to have an unbreakable determination to be victorious. and agian we will see in a rematch with sonnen if it can be repeated why do you make me do this? the same bj penn that lost his last two fights, the same bj penn that is a lightweight and has had mixed results at welter and above. fighting a huge welterwieght who's plan is to take him down and contol him with gnp - a weakness bj has considering his defensive nature when placed on his back. you see machida lover, less is more
Yes, it is wrong. Also, it should be a sign of your strength as a fighter if you are intelligent and fight to your strengths. It is not a weakness to fight intelligently. Silva wasn't exactly grappling with Maia or Leites.
it is true that in the damien maia and tales leites silva played it safe, compare that to gsp in the dan hardy fight, second serra fight,3rd hughes fight, koscheck fight, the second bj penn fight, the alves fight........... the list goes on. gsp is a fighter who plays it safe, (especially since getting tko'd against serra the first time) playing it safe is different from being careful. again I dont argue that gsp can not be considered #1 p4p but to act like silva doesnt deserve the top spot also is........... well, shows a lack of knowledge.
even in the Leites and maia fights silva was taking some risks, using flying knees like he did is risky enough. popkins thinks I dont give gsp credit because "I dont like his style," it is completely untrue, I used silvas record to make the case for silva. it was immediately dismissed by popkins. what I have said has been based on facts, not biases. and not because someone didnt look good in their last fight but won anyway. the thing that boggles the mind is, how can you simply dismiss a record like anderson silvas. he has had the ufc belt for 4 years now and no one in the ufc middlewieght division can take it from him. it shows that many mma fans simply dont appreciate consistancy. thats the reason fedor was pushed down to the #3 spot p4p before his loss to werdum. now people want to dismiss silvas accomplishments by sayin **** like "years past victories dont count for a current p4p list" thats idiotic. when you think about it if you follow that logic it becomes a question of who has looked the most impressive in thier recent fights when fighting top competition. Jose aldo then should be #1 or cain valasqez or some other guy who puts together 2 or three impressive victories, the he simply can overtake another fighter who has been racking up wins impressively for a long time. p4p never has worked that way. obviously gsp is not a guy who doesnt deserve respect for his victories (and I never wrote otherwise) he is not a flash in the pan fighter he has earned his place on the p4p list time and again. I just think since anderson has been winning for a longer peirod of time, against the best in the ufc middleweight division, and not being content to fight safe decision type fights. also moving up in weight to challenge lightheavies edges gsp in the rankings and secures the #1 spot.
1.GSP 2.fedor 3.Anderson silva 4.frankie edgar 5.shogun 6.jose aldo 7.lyoto machida 8.jake shields 9.chael sonnen =] 10.james toney and lesnar is nowhere near at the top
Fedor should be # 3 and sorry jon fitch hasn't won a world title in the ufc so he shouldn't be above baby jay penn or lyoto machida. 1.GSP 2. Spider 3. The last emperor FEDOR 4. shogun rua 5 Edgar 6. Shields 7. Machida 8. baby jay penn 9. Lesnar 10. Evans
That's bad reasoning. By that logic the first 5 picks should be former or current champions no matter what. BJ is coming off back to back losses (though, to the same guy) and Lyoto is also coming off of a loss, and a brutal KO at that (most think he REALLY lost the first fight against Shogun too). It's not Fitch's fault that he fights in the same division as GSP, lol.
wonder how fitch would have done against hughes in the days he was a dominant champ? I say hughes beats fitch. also I want to add that Jake sheilds deserves more credit in these rankings I got him at #4 behind fedor and above aldo and shogun. he has been consistent and has fought particularly in his last 5, good competition. the best of which was dan henderson. but includes wins over Yushin Okami, Carlos Condit, Nick Tompson, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler, and Jason Mayhem Miller.:good
Youve got it confused champ, GSP has never beaten or even competed against any Asians and Anderson stopped fighting them after being continually beaten. Anderson's last 3 asian opponents: -[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yushin_Okami"]Yushin Okami[/ame] - LOSS -Chonan[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryo_Chonan"]Ryo Chonan[/ame] - LOSS -Takase[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daiju_Takase"]Daiju Takase[/ame] - LOSS Shortly after this, Anderson has ducked Asian fighters and has fought in the UFC for most of his next 13 fights. Please prove me wrong. I think your atsch was a little bit premature. Also I dont get why you quoted that particular post. Why is GSP and Anderson up there when they both have lost more and won less fights than Fedor, as well as not fighting a more varied type fighters? Look at Anderson Silva, the guy lost 4 times and has NEVER avenged any of his losses, why should Anderson get a free ride up in your ladder? Maybe its the quality of fighters within the UFC thats the problem. They might be well known but they might also be less skilled.
I have no interest in undo-ing anyone's accomplishments, least of all Anderson Silva's. I have no idea how you can think I would want to do so. :nut The p4p rankings are decided on by working to a set criteria. If you have no criteria, then it's just a list of your favourite fighters, isn't it? atsch Yes, but as I've explained, this is merely your personal preference for Silva's style as opposed to GSP's. You are not being objective, and you are not fairly evaluating either man's effectiveness, and this is what you must do when deciding on p4p rankings. What this really all comes down to is that you like Silva more, so you can't stand anyone saying he is not the p4p#1. It's infantile, transparent and really rather pathetic. Your reasoning for having Silva at #1 is bogus. I call you an irrational Silva fanboy. I have no interest in this comment. It's not very relevant to me or this discussion.
