dempsey vs jones jr

Would this be a Jones, Jr. on steroids or would he have to rely on his natural unaided talent? Without the juice, Dempsey by KO.

 

are dempsey's gloves loaded? i might need to change my pick.

 

RJJ only briefly fought at HW so it's really difficult for me to rate him very highly h2h at this weight. Roy never fought any really good heavweights so we don't know how he would respond against an atg like Dempsey. With that said, Jack certainly never fought anyone with the sort of physical tools and reflexive/reactive style that '03 RJJ(the version that we'd have to use for this particular matchup) would bring to the table...even if '03 Jones was past his absolute prime and not a natural HW.
I honestly don't believe that Jones would have as much trouble with Dempsey as many on ESB would believe, although Dempsey would certainly have his moments early on. My prediction: RJJ makes Jack look like he's fighting with weights around his wrists and ankles on his way to a UD.

 

Want to see how this fight would go, stick in a tape of Tunney-Dempsey 2

 

Dempsey KO2.

 

Ithink the oold days fighters are over rated against newer fighters due to diet training and the ability to learn from old fighters tecniques.

Saying this - Dempsey would KO Jones in 1 round

 

Using the Jones of the Glen Johnson fights is as ridiculous as using the Dempsey of the Tunney matches in this debate - surely we've got to talk a Jones on his A-game (which he definately wasn't against Johnson) - come on let's be fair to Jones - I think Jones is being completely overlooked for this one - I do think Dempsey would knock him out however - but I also think Jones is one of the greatest pound 4 pound fighters ever so if Jones had the focus of the Ruiz fight - he might have to use to ridiculously fast avasive manouvers but I think he might wriggle through maybe 4 or 5 rounds - Carp was able to for a bit - if only 4 rounds - i assume Jones would try at least once to nail Demps before he goes down bravely.

 

Did not say that was Roy's prime ... it was a style analogy showing how Jones fared against a pressure fighter stronger than him, able to take his shots and fast enough to chase him down. It exposed Roy. Now again, this was a style reference. Besides the fact Johnson and Jones were the same age when they fought, I think it's safe to assume that the jump from Johnson to Dempsey is at least as great as the Roy a few fights earlier that defeated Ruiz for his greatest victory.

 

Except without Jones getting up from the knockdown.

 

That KD would be unlikely to happen, at least not in the same way as Jones doesn't back up in straight lines with his hands down like Tunney did. Who's to say Jones wouldn't KO Dempsey if Flyn had him ko'd and Firpo/Tunney nearly KO'd him?

 

I remember Griffin nailing Jones with several looping left hooks as Jones was backing up against the ropes.

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It's hard to say what really happened against Flynn. Firpo was a hard hitter who threw wild bombs and caught Dempsey in the first 10 seconds of the fight, which sent Dempsey in blind rage. Tunney didn't nearly KO Dempsey although his punches certainly affected him. Not saying Jones's wouldn't, but Roy would probably be too cautious to really go for the KO.

 

Tunney was far more of a textbook boxer than Jones and had better footwork. Jones couldn't fight with his back to the ropes but seemed to end up there quite a lot-this suggests to me that it wasn't deliberate. Jones was very very fast and had ridiculously good reflexes but he wasn't as skillful a boxer as Tunney.
Remember also that nobody's talking about Jones the middleweight, we're talking about Jones taking on a fast super-aggressive heavyweight with fast feet, a knockout punch and as stated earlier in the thread perhaps the best finisher of them all. A far cry from John Ruiz.
Dempsey would batter Jones.

 

Except for the 7th round...Dempsey would have caught, stunned and finished off Jones, who didn't come close to having a chin like Tunney's.

 

Prime dempsey obliterates that chin in my opinion. Roy probably gets some good shots and counters in, hurting demps, even dropping him but I see toledo Dempsey getting off the mat and wrecking jones with his two fisted assault. Too heavy hitting. Too fast handspeed. Too fast feet.

 

Instead of Dempsey landing 7 shots ala Tunney, Jones would be crushed by one or two.